Sherrlene Uy

Teacher - English and Research, Glendale School, Inc. (QC, Phil)

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What are the challenges that gifted and creative individuals face at present?

Hi everyone! I am working on a research about the gifted and creative individuals. I'd like to know what are the challenges that the gifted and creative people experience in your country. Share your thoughts please :) Thanks!

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      Feb 21 2013: I like how you phrased your statement! It says it all! Thanks :)
    • Mar 8 2013: I have learned much more independently through the internet's awesome and efficient knowledge gathering functions then I ever did in school. No college credits for that though, just intellectual satisfaction.
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    Feb 18 2013: Gifted and creative individuals often go unrecognized because of close associations they have with introversion. Introverts are sometimes not very good at 'getting themselves out there' in order to be discovered or to profit from their own talent.

    I suggest that too often, gifted individuals are subjugated by standardized education and by the workplace, such that their natural talents are never realized properly again in adulthood. A talent that has become profoundly inhibited in this way I believe can lead to mental health problems, the more that person tries to conform to someone else's 'normality' other than their own.
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      Feb 18 2013: Well said! Thank you very much!
    • Feb 18 2013: "...the more that person tries to conform to someone else's 'normality' other than their own. "
      You truly hit the nail on the head, Allan!

      I totally agree with you!
      I think it is the way they—creative individuals—yield that makes the challenges that gifted and creative individuals face at present. Sometimes not knowing what we’re destroying, we just give up on our creativity!
      The judges aren’t others; those are us.
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      Feb 20 2013: Allen, My inner introvert thanks you for giving her a voice ;-)
  • Mar 3 2013: As a parent of three children who have been placed in the category of "Gifted," I have found that resources in the public school system for nurturing gifted abilities are extremely lacking; resources for students with "special needs" unfortunately in most cases do not include resources for the gifted, only for students with disabilities. I believe it is important to meet the needs of students who struggle as well as students who have the potential to excel. They each have unique needs that differ from the average student. According to the neuropsychologist who completed our testing, gifted students who are not sufficiently intellectually stimulated and nurtured to reach their potential are at the highest risk of quitting school and engaging in destructive behaviors in attempts to meet these needs. This should be of great concern to our society considering the incredible potential that is lost due to neglect. We need more thriving brilliance in our world.
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      Mar 3 2013: I agree absolutely - both as a parent of a gifted daughter whose school is having trouble recognizing her needs, and also based on my own personal experience (the words "engaging in destructive behaviors in attempts to meet these needs" is close to home!).

      We do need more thriving brilliance in the world - along with some of the other things that many gifted people bring, including a preoccupation with justice.

      Gifted people are often indestructibly creative - but their creativity can go unrecognized because it's 'outside the box'.
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    Feb 17 2013: Difficulty to conform and downscale to common understanding.
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      Feb 17 2013: I look forward to Pabitra's response before offering my own as I believe this is the most relevant to your question…

      And in support of Mary's response, hitting the "reply" button for each comment sends a email message to the poster to engage...
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        Feb 18 2013: A gifted and creative mind sees, internalizes and reflects on things in unique ways. Unique, in the sense it is least bothered with authority but seeks authenticity of the substance in question. For example one can sense gender in colors without being influenced by prevalent memes. There is a musical software available which can create symphonies in response to chromatic inputs such that a person with musical gift but no formal training or knowledge of notations can create an orchestra just by interacting with the software for some time. The persons behind the two examples are gifted and creative.
        I have seen with my modest experience that such people are either terribly weak or naturally indifferent to the social standards. Their partners, parents and families need to be extra careful in protecting them because the large part of their conscious energy is engaged with a creative process leaving least resources for socail interactions. They find it difficult to conform to the role of a colleague, partner or a friend and also to general order of the society.
        The challenge for a gifted and creatively inclined person is to moderate his/her expressions to be undestandable by common folks. This is because, gifted as he/she is there is also the need of companionship, acceptance and fondness. My observation is that when they are young and just about learning the reality of making connections in life, they suffer and dubbed as either rude or nerdy or callous despite their brightness. If you sample the lives of few gifted celebrities you will be surprised to note how badly they fare in their private lives. Aging brings a wisdom, however, and they learn the trick.
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      Feb 18 2013: Oh, that was fast! Thanks a lot! :)

      Would you mind elaborating your thoughts about this issue? I am really interested how people from the other parts of the globe think about this :) thanks again ^^
  • Mar 6 2013: I think the general public categorizes genius, creative or otherwise, as impotent. Money is worshiped and great ideas are only great if they are valuable. People need a realization that art and the future we make for humanity are more important than what we do for ourselves in the here and now. Beautiful minds face short sight; the inability to look at what one is doing as good on a larger scale (a more real scale) than an economic one.
    • Mar 7 2013: This is why people who are gifted and talented need to be provided with support to reach their best selves, both in terms of mentoring and economics. Many gifts and talents don't fit in convenient "job boxes", and trying to stuff someone into such a box results not only in failure for the organization, but also disheartening of the individual. This can and will crush creativity in many people.
    • Mar 7 2013: so you say "People need a realization that art and the future we make for humanity are more important than what we do for ourselves in the here and now."

      I say that you have just stated a bunch of nonsense.

      1st if art is so important, pay all the artist and not just a few "known/famous" ones, not only pay them but pay them more than what you pay an engineer!

      now the future of humanity is not in opposition of what we do for ourselves in the here and now, because we are humans and we need to take care of the here and now to be able to have a future.

      so unless the person is very rich, money is always needed, or are you going to pay the bills of all those artists? are you going to pay those surgeries and other hospital bills the people may need? are you going to pay their debts?

      I don't think so

      a pipe dream that renders every one poor and in misery
      • Mar 7 2013: I think you and I are what some would call prime examples of a 'realist' versus an 'idealist'. I world where art is valued hire than economic status is a pipe dream?
        You've taken my comment to it's most extreme interpretation. My main point is that 'artists' are viewed as non-conributers. Amanda Palmer talks openly about being degraded as a street performer, being yelled at regularly to 'get a real job'.
        I think Sugata Mitra's discussion gives good examples of how encouragement is key; not just for children's education but growth as individuals.
        Even adults.
        Futurism is another matter entirely. My point is people have a 'whats in it for me' mentality when they make life choices. Such as the importance of getting their children involved in an after school art program versus paying for monthly cable. We need to invest in ourselves versus creature comforts.
        I see how I may have been mis-interpreted; I should be more clear.
    • Mar 8 2013: AND, if there is an invention that makes its way to market, the inventor is made a celebrity, rich w/ endorsements and becomes highly visible all very quickly. That can be destructive to ones internal organization too, highly restrictive success rate which denies public access to progress and ppl believe they rose from nothing bec THEY never heard of them. Reading backgrounds of pop stars, for eg: most have been performing for many many years, supported in their talents and educated "fame style" schools for performing arts, not just lucky.
      Also misleading to general public who think then that success is a result of pure chance so don't try for themselves to create what they love
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    Feb 27 2013: This thread has been haunting me, so I've been giving it deep thought.

    It seems to me, now that I have read so many comments from so many like-minded people, that all the shame I carried with me for so long, was spent on naught.

    SHAME - forcibly instilled in the young - shame for being different - shame for being "wrong" when they "know" that they aren't (and no one says why) - shame for wanting more than I was allowed (by public education) - shame for difficulty staying awake in the face of incredible boredom - shame for having unconventional ideas - shame for being ME. Shame, I think, is the greatest problem I faced. It was debilitating, and so unnecessary!

    I hope that you use your position to help those who are still trapped in hell. Thanks for the question. I am better for it.
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      Feb 27 2013: Well said, I feel you there. Creative, novel thoughts or ideas are often mocked or put down. People who do this make the creative individual feel self conscious or uncomfortable with sharing, let alone acting on their ideas. It`s a shame
  • Mar 1 2013: Gifted & Creative individuals are naturally driven by a passion.
    They forget that their gifted talents and skills have to be useful to people around them. If their talents are not useful to people around them then Gifted people suffer.
    Gifted people find it very difficult to go the extra mile to ensure their talents are useful to people around them.
    People around gifted people could help Gifted people to tap their talents for benefit of society.
    Then their would be Win-Win situation.
  • Feb 19 2013: I cannot speak for those who are gifted, because the definition of gifted to me is someone that is a high scholar in which I am not.

    However, I am a creative individual and I am currently fighting the challenge against my family which is success within happiness. I come from an Asian background and at first I didn't think my family was that stereotypical until I started standing up for my own happiness of pursuing something I enjoy. By stereotypical I mean they expect me to follow the route of medicine or business. I received comments such as "It's time to be a grown up", "You'll never make any money doing that", "That's not a real career", "Passion doesn't take you anywhere", "It's too late" and "It's stupid to spend money on stuff like that".

    Another challenge I run into is criticism. Instead of beneficial criticism, I'm often fed opinions that I should change my art work to something that's more "appropriate". To me that's difficult because that would mean I need to change my emotions, my mentality and literately myself - it's not that easy. I had the harshest criticism so far from one of my parents who told me to stop creating "funny stuff" and to throw away some of my art work.

    Which leads to my next challenge.. Myself. I really had to sit down and question everything constantly. Should I be shaping myself according to what everyone says is right? Or should I become my own unique individual and express who I really am? Is it disrespectful of me not to listen to my elders? Is it disrespectful of them to not accept me and support me?

    I had to figure out who I really was and what I was all about and not be my past but be the future I want. Gaining the confidence to put my foot down against those around who disagreed with my decisions, my creativity, my expression, and overall myself. Finding my own voice.It literately feels like you're fighting a lonesome battle against an entire army but it's become such a euphoric feeling I must say!

    Hope that helped!
    • Feb 20 2013: Hi Crystal, I love your post. You are very courageous. Most people are tuned into making money. Making money is actually creative too. Not everyone is creative at making money. Don't let others define for you what success is. The artist is someone who takes in their environment and lets it resonate with their genetics and their life experience and creates something original. Passion can propel you for many years. It's a good thing to have. The artist is sensitive. The artist is the 'canary in a coal mine', overly sensitive compared to others. That's how they resonate with their world. Art is a mirrored reflection of the world. It is like anthropology in the sense that the rest of the world can't see what you can see until you reveal it to them in your own way. It is a lonely battle and you are courageous. Make it work. Education will give you permission to do what you want to do and more. A future father in law once asked me . . ."When do you think you will become successful?" I replied "I feel successful right now!" He said "Touche".
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    Feb 18 2013: Great question Sherrlene Uy,

    Gifted and Creative individuals have special faculties, either born with or developed over time. The biggest challenge that I have seen such people face are...

    #1. Inability to EXPRESS their creativity so that other people understand
    #2. Lack of knowledge that their special skills are indeed special (they think everybody has it!!)
    #3. Being in the wrong neighborhood (means... no recognition)

    I wonder what others would be saying.

    Also, let me know what you think... and "Like" this answer if you do.

    Raam
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      Gail .

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      Feb 18 2013: I STILL think that everyone has it - but that most are not self-aware enough to know it.
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      Feb 21 2013: I totally agree! This is very evident nowadays. Thank you for your response.
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    Gail .

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    Feb 18 2013: I would like to try to simplify & condense my previous response:

    Biggest challenges for the gifted:

    Getting through compulsory education without coming to the conclusion that they are stupid, wrong, inadequate, inferior, and incapable because they perceive what most do not.

    How nice it would be if adults did not generally think that children are empty sponges waiting to be filled with knowledge. Had my parents and educators believed me with respect to some of the most essential things I had to say, how different my life would have been. For me, compulsory education was formalized, legalized abuse.

    Abuse is not just physical. The only difference between physical abuse and mental/emotional abuse is the choice of weapons.
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      Feb 21 2013: I couldn't agree more
    • Feb 24 2013: Whoa! Amazing words! They are likely EXACTLY how my 13 yr old gifted daughter feels! This is so very true for her existence, and my husband and I struggle as parents to cope with her needs. I finally railed at the school's administration for not listening to her and her needs.
      I have found myself time and again telling her to "wait". Wait until next year - It'll be better, etc. How can I reasonably ask a child of 10 or 11 to wait? On one hand that's what she needs to do, on the other hand it is total torture.
      Our educational system does not adequately address these childrens' needs and it is far too bad because they are future of of our world.
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    Feb 17 2013: I think people can be jealous of gifted and creative individuals. They don't realize that gifted, creative people often are working harder than everybody else, but perhaps make it look easy.

    People may be suspicious of gifted, creative individuals, as gifted, creative individuals are often proposing new ideas and new ways of living that are different from the mainstream.
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      Feb 18 2013: Oh, I love the term! "Suspicious"!

      It's like all their actions are being screened every now and then huh? Right right... I never thought of that! Thanks! :)

      Jotted it down! :) Salamat! (Thank you!)
  • Mar 9 2013: I think that there are two topics here. Gifted individuals and creative individuals. Not all gifted individuals are creative and not all creative people are gifted.

    Creative people, in fact, typically don't do all that great on intelligence tests because those tests are heavily weighted towards analytical thinking.

    The best book I have ever seen on creative people is The HISS of the ASP by David Ritchey. ASP stands for anomalously sensitive people.

    Creativity is just another trait that goes along with a whole constellation of personality traits associated highly sensitive people.
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      Mar 9 2013: True indeed. While there is some dispute about it, it is probably most valid to think of the two as overlapping categories, with some people fitting in both and some in only one.
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      Mar 13 2013: That is true :) They are 2 different ideas
  • Mar 4 2013: i have an extremely difficult time not only expressing myself, finding others even remotely interested in that which consumes me, but rare are any hopes of being understood.. as such, a lonely reclusivity with only my mind's eyes is unfortunately my world. it is not a gift - it is a doomed life of complete misunderstanding and marginilization.
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      Mar 4 2013: Start a topic you like, put details about your interests in your profile, and see who responds. If your topic is not eye catching or its to gaudy, work on presenting your information a little better. When you see who responds, check their demographics. Maybe there's a concentration of like mined individuals in a particular network or location.
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    Mar 4 2013: How do you know if you are gifted or creative?
  • Mar 4 2013: I think the challenge is more long-term: acceptance in society and in the business world in particular. Will businesses give the right kind of work (and credit) to gifted individuals, and pay them for their talents and not for their ability to conform to the workplace? How do you develop the unique talent of the gifted individual to its fullest extent, and then have the person use that in the work environment - especially in developing countries such as the Philippines.
  • Mar 3 2013: I should have mentioned that several of my children were identified as gifted in kindergarten. Unfortunately for them, too meant teachers were unwilling/unable to differentiate their curricula and insisted that all steps be completed in the correct sequence before moving on. Most of my children were reading fluently when they began school but were still required to digest every primer and pre primer in existence. My experience in classes with gifted students is that most gifted students will challenge themselves and find work to keep them busy. Truly gifted students often find solace and safety in books.
  • Mar 3 2013: Throughout the comments that I have read, I have seen no mention of Gardiner's theory of Multiple Intelligences. My many years as an elementary educator have convinced me of its validity. Every teacher has encountered students who struggle academically but are brilliant leaders, musicians, artists, athletes, etc. The individual who is gifted/talented in every aspect of learning is a true anomaly. Unfortunately, schools generally focus on cognitive/academic skills as those by which a student is defined. For this reason, it is critical that education be of a classical nature so that any child has an opportunity to shine in her/his area of strength. Perhaps when this is done all gifts will be seen as just that...gifts. Also a student never exposed to art may not realize their talent. The same principle applies to all areas but seems to be easily ignored in the Arts. As for engaging students, I have found that the use of Dramatic Arts ( not theatre) is a "way in" for almost every student for it helps to put the question/problem in a context that allows safe and creative exploration. When I began using Dramatic Arts as a teaching method, it was a watershed moment for me. I had always had the ability to intuit and identify individuals who were gifted but I became even more effective as a teacher and was able to witness creative growth in many who seemed reluctant to take chances previously.
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    Mar 3 2013: I am from Canada, identified as 'gifted' in Grade 4, and I have identified with that gift all my life. Although that giftedness showed as a talent for schoolwork, and is usually interpreted as analytical work, I uncovered my own creativity in stages. So first, it must be clear that in a post-industrial, neo-information economy, creativity is given secondary status to giftedness.
    Second, and especially when a person has the gifts of both logical and non-linear thinking, we are deluged with options. Almost any traditional discipline, from anthropology to zoology, from medicine to management science, are available to us. How does one decide? We are not taught how, and most people project onto us their own image of achievement, and do not or cannot help us identify our own. It may appear to be lovely and charming to have so many options: in reality it is horrific. So many open doors, and no means to select.
    I have had broad experience: architecture, IT, advertising, business strategy, animal genetics, corporate finance, IPOs, privatization, landscape design, political economy, community economic development, diagnostic imaging. Frankly, I suspect that many people read my resume and think I am lying, so I twist it to artfully leave out large swaths to be acceptable. I am tired of the chameleon life. I have been part of innovations in almost every one of the fields listed. But do not be fooled - organizations say they want creativity and innovation, but they are for the most part unable to tolerate us.
    I have learned, later in life now, that one must choose. Variety may be interesting, but it can only offer limited success, and that the real joy comes from mastery, which requires dedication. If I knew then what I know now, I would allow myself to have chosen anything, and would tell myself to trust that the choice is not a loss or a limit, but a passage to freedom within it. Our world values focus, not adaptability, repetition not innovation, in spite of what you hear.
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      Mar 3 2013: Well said . We are intolerable I suppose.. As for myself I have already changed the world somewhat developing software which Kodak has used since I was 19 when I developed this digital innovation for the corporate giant .. 1996 - 2004 were great years although I should have aimed higher. The systems replace Polaroid in malls at Santa venues and theme parks coasters but I feel that's somewhat insignificant as to how or in what way I'd like to help the world and its people .. I know now its tools they need in real world scenarios work play education law government or to earn money since millions sit home after have great careers with corporate giants like GM. These people need help more importantly their children for future economic stability. To me the visions are simplistic yet most can not see .. Which is probably why Mark Z needs to see Instagram or xplatform before he makes his choice and that's fine I can't even spell algorithm but I know what it can do and how and whee to apply it .. This creativity is always with us from early sages that's where order is needed and a standard to be set for the recording or creating of such ideas or innovative solutions. Everyone has their place on a team this position however in bench or Allstar no I between I have weathered both now benched watching Kodak as they have no idea and Facebook with what they can do for people in many walks of life as well as many others I feel I am doing the world and its people am injustice by not voicing that I know what the people need want and how Facebook Google the web the cloud mobile advertising etc can do easily to provide or give back to help and obviously help their bottom line ..

      But whom do I tell now Steve Jobs would have listened for I feel I have the same type vision although I can improve the iPhone features tremendously ... Maybe my mentor is by my side knowing I have true goals to help change and simplify not scams n shame to rape people of their hard earned dollar ..imj2013
    • Mar 4 2013: I recall that, as a grade school student, I began to realize that turning in my test paper 10" before the next kid resulted in resentment of other kids, an invitation to be bullied, no playmates at recess, demands w/o reward from parents expecting perfection as a base line of all performance (can't draw, awkward physically, poor handwriting) accusations of plagiarism for original work, talking too much and generally irritating teachers with questions and needs for alternative activities while waiting for others to finish (beyond, "ok, you can choose a book,") from the 5 or 6 on a back table, and parade my differentness throughout the entire classroom.
      I recall an example from a bright boy's contribution: we'd been studying multiplication memorization from 2 to 3 etc. When we got to 10, he raised his hand and said, "Or, you can just move the decimal point one number to the right."
      Tcher: "That is not what we are learning right now"! !
    • Mar 7 2013: I have had similar problems...when asked "What will you be when you grow up?" I had no answer. The options available overwhelmed me, and I really didn't have any strong guidance. I drifted through school, and I have not been very successful, by many standards (eg. career, relationships, etc.) I have often been angry, and occasionally grateful, to my parents for insisting I stay in public education--angry because it was a great waste of time for me, grateful because it gave me at least a minimum level of social skills.

      Additionally, my own abilities have worked against me in the sense that I have been burdened with the idea of my own intelligence. It is very hard when you know you are smart to accept failure. My lack of success has constantly been a boondoggle, hanging over my shoulder. I have always had the feeling that I am capable of so much more than what I have, yet what could that ephemeral thing be? I am capable of almost anything, and so I don't know where to turn to do something. Most of my life has been defined by what I know I can't do, narrowing the field, when what I so dearly want is some help figuring what I can do.

      And knowing that I am highly capable in potential, I can be paralyzed by the fear of defeat, or the overwhelming view of knowing all that would be required to achieve a goal. Sometimes, someone far less "talented and gifted" than I can accomplish something that I cannot, simply because they do not see the great wave of obstacles standing before them. Taking things one step at a time, without consideration for these factors, is very difficult for me.

      I am rarely satisfied, craving perfection and never achieving it. It is difficult, even, to find good conversation at times. So I post in places like this, or compile other peoples works. I long to be creative, yet I am not able to exercise creativity because I have suffered under the smothering effects of terror of failure for so long. Talking to you now is me trying to escape this terror.
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        Mar 7 2013: Oh Marla (James here...) I hear you. I know that anger and that terror, too.

        My way out of that morass has been first, to rely on Julia Cameron's "The Artist's Way"... get the book, read it and work through the questions, week by week. It does not demand production, only that you care for yourself. It is the only way I have ever found to uncover our creative treasures. It is often a solitary path we tread, but we must walk it.

        Second, pick something to do nearby ("bloom where you are planted"). Third, and I learned this the slow painful way, just pick something, anything. At first, it does. not. matter. (You cannot turn a motionless ship... pick any course, and work with the wind.) You will learn to sail. Later you will master it. And the real joy juice comes from knowing inside that you did it, not any external measures by the world. It is that internal joy juice that fuels the next step.

        Finally, read the book by Brene Brown The Gifts of Imperfection (and revisit her TEDtalks). We need to be vulnerable to let the world in and let our talents out, and Brene has written a wise book about the hurt we feel and how we can honor ourselves.

        I am sure that you, like many of the voices here, have profound intuitive powers. Lean on them now to choose one of these pieces of nourishment.

        James
        • Mar 8 2013: Thanks for your quick response James. I am trying hard to do some of the things you have suggested. I really appreciate the resource suggestions! I will keep on working on this.

          Marla
  • Mar 3 2013: The challenge is to focus and express creative energy and not let it overwhelm you. Creative thoughts simmer down deep and then weave their way to the surface. If they cannot find an outlet, they erupt. They destroy. They cause illness. They poison relationships. They feel almost evil, yet they are our life blood.
  • Mar 3 2013: The biggest challenge is that most creative endeavors are tied to the need to make Money from that endeavor. It constrains the diameter of the creative pipeline. Not good or bad.....it just IS...
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    Mar 3 2013: Funding is the easy answer, but the full reason is often not articulated. When we start out as artists, especially independent artists (rather than creative professionals working at a job) we are often not good enough to make money at what we love to do. At this point, we try and try and then give up. As Ira Glass calls it, it's the GAP between our taste and our skills. It takes years to get good at our craft. Most people give up when they get discouraged that their work isn't world-class or at least remunerative. Finding ways to bridge that gap is essential: to get encouragement and support and venues and funding while we get better at crafting and sharing our vision, of becoming successful artists.
    • Mar 8 2013: This gap used to be filled in the traditional arts by a combination of the apprenticeship/journeyman systems from guilds and the patronage of the Renaissance. We could really use something like these systems in the modern age...hopefully without the flaws that these systems had, which led to their ultimate end.
  • Feb 27 2013: Creation is a process that starts with inspiration and is followed by action. To create something, beyond the vision, there's all the work required to bring the idea to life. That part is not so creative anymore, it's mostly just work. I think that's a challenge for the most creative minds, to be able to focus on the gruntwork and the uninteresting details as they see a project to completion.

    To lead a productive life, a creative individual must find an efficient balance between dreams and reality.
  • Feb 27 2013: A major challenge to the gifted and creative in the United States is the culture of bullying. Bullies are threatened by these individuals and feel free therefore to threaten, hurt, demean, and undermine them. In school, bullying is looked at as a right of passage. The media encourages this behavior to get ratings. In the workplace coworkers and bosses participate in this behavior because it is rewarded from above. Today's capitalists promote "innovation" rather than "invention" - i.e. tweaking someone else's work, rather than creating anything new, because it is a quick profit rather than long term costly research. Politicians play to the lowest common denominator, dumb themselves down, and are mean-spirited to get elected. So when a gifted, creative individual comes along they don't fit into the crowd and they make those who profit from mediocrity nervous. The sad thing is, that gifted creative individuals who successfully buck this trend, eventually give in and become bullies themselves.
  • Feb 24 2013: Thanks for your feedback Sherrlene,

    This has not been a struggle but a journey of discovery. As a dyslexic (not profound) I was always on the back foot academically yet seemed to understand and grasp the core values and mechanisms quicker than others.

    I had a natural creative ability and spirit that has guided my path all my life. The biggest hurdle was not being creative, but finding those who understood creativity in itself.

    I feel that the greatest issue is one of frustration in getting people to understand that another world exists on the other side of their mind.

    We are taught to see everything in black & white and if the idea falls beyond this we are asked to question it till it is proven or debunked.

    I have come to the point where I just do.... and wait for the truth of the matter to reveal itself through the actions of those involved.

    And how did I get through, by simply refusing to be anything other than who I am. This has not been the best path as you can imagine, but despite the issues this has 'created" in my life I would not have it any other way.

    Creativity is a state of mind, that when embraced "like a drug" will send you on journeys without end, sights beyond imagination and experiences that will leave you breathless.

    The real challenge is find others brave enough to come with you.
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      Feb 25 2013: Hey Michael you are amazing! :) I am particularly happy that you're able to overcome your dyslexia and made yourself aware of it and the things you can do to improve yourself^^ NICE!

      I agree with you that there are people who frown because others do not see the same light as they do. It is like THE ONLY CORRECT ANSWER IS THEIR EXPECTED ANSWER (which is not possible).

      In the school where I am teaching, it is (almost) forbidden to tag a student's answer as WRONG because he might be right in his own respect.

      EXPECTATIONS kill the creative minds of people, would you agree? We tend to put these people in cans of sardines, pack them and declare that they are good stuffs because they're controlled. The norms in our society now dictates what's "normal" and what's not. So when you're "different" it always goes to the negative perspective.

      Here's a hug >:D< Thank you Michael for sharing
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      Feb 27 2013: Michael: Most excellent post!
  • Feb 21 2013: As a creative, and one who has to work within the paradigm of business, I see not the creative as the issue, but those who have to deal with the creative.

    Most of the business leaders I deal with are left brain thinkers, not to say they themselves don't possess creativity in some form, but more they can't calculate it in an academic way. I have experienced this response to ideas and creative thinking most of my life and now, with bitter sweet resolve, except and work with it.

    Being a creative has always been a lonely place on this planet, it is what makes us special. Embrace this loneliness and let your mind roam free of the clutter.

    The greatest challenge "in a nutshell" is to not care about the challenge but get on with feeding the gift with out fear.
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      Feb 23 2013: Hi Michael! thank you for sharing this! : I truly appreciate your thoughts. I was just wondering, how did you manage to get through it all? I hope you can share some of your struggles as a creative individual :) Thanks
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    Feb 18 2013: Though India is a very good country as far as religeous freedom is concerned. But gifted individuals may face opposition from pockets of religeous fundametalists.Main challenge they face is that they have to be politically correct.
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      Feb 18 2013: Hi Adesh! I hope you wouldn't mind if I ask more information about the status of gifted and talented individuals in your country. I'd love to hear more from you :) Thank you!
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    Feb 17 2013: 1. Acceptance of individual differences by family, friends, community, country and the world. People differ on many traits.No two persons are exactly alike. Normally, the less gifted ones don't accept the higher gifted-ness quotient of the more gifted ones. They tend to disparage or downplay the unique ability of such naturally gifted individuals.
    2. Defiance to Societal norms creates new set of problems.
    3. Conformity
    4. Lack of adequate Exposure and recognition to such individuals
    5. Self-pacing while learning course materials is not necessarily an available option.
    6. Social isolation. Loneliness.
    7. Boredom due to monotonous nature of work.
    8. Labels that not so creative individuals assign to them.
    9. Lack of career counselling facilities.
    10. Lack of Mentors.
    11. Lack of Motivation.
    12. Substance abuse
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      Feb 18 2013: So would you guys agree that while most people think that technology help creative enhancement, it can also kill the talent? How is that so? Thanks to you both :)
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        Feb 18 2013: I would GUESS that is kills talent because it works as a sedative - just like any other mind-numbing drug. Humans are a social animal. The gifted live in part in another world. Technology can in some small way, bridge the divide. But I'm not so sure that the gifted that I speak of get caught up in the addiction to hormonal responses that technology invokes.

        How can one study this if those who study don't know what a truly gifted child's world looks like because they equate "gifted" with too much emphasis on "learning style"?
    • Feb 24 2013: You've listed them so clearly. I would add DEPRESSION. I have a nearly 13 yr old gifted daughter and this becomes the consequence of all that Atul outlined above. My daughter struggles with trying to control her anger at the "stupidity" of everyone else around her because it takes so long for them to "get it" when it takes her only a few seconds. She is clustered with other TAG students, which helps, but doesn't alleviate the mind-numbing boredom she feels when classes are paced for the common student. I'd like to place her in another school, but between cost and the fact that it would affect her friendships I haven't.
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        Feb 25 2013: I feel for your daughter. There MIGHT be an option. I had a friend whose daughter had the same complains as yours (and as I did - though I didn't rail at the stupidity of others. I railed at the boredom and disrespect shown me by teachers in oh-so-many subtle ways.)

        When my friend's daughter was ready to quit (in her junior year), her parents were alarmed. Luckily, the father was well placed as the director of a museum, so he walked in circles that my parents didn't walk in. He heard about how Exeter Academy (New Hampshire) might be the solution for her.

        Exeter Academy is where movers and shakers from around the world send their children. These are very wealthy people who endow the school with significant funds. These funds are used (in part) for scholarships for those special ones who would otherwise be unable to find a suitable education. My friend's daughter received a partial scholarship - based on the parent's income (which was not "poor").

        At Exeter, there are no rows of desks. There are circular tables. Class size is 8-10. Students aren't given mathematical formulas to memorize. They are given word problems and must then find a formula that leads them to the answer. They then present their findings to the other students.

        Imagine what it would feel like to suddenly be told that "you are smart enough to do this"! Imagine realizing how much more you can do that anyone ever thought you could do. Imagine learning the leadership skills that such practices engage. Imagine coming away from school with self-esteem still in tact. What an advantage!

        I would love to engage in the education of students. I know how good I am at it when children are around. Unfortunately, I gave up on school when I graduated H.S. I just couldn't endure the torture any more. I began educating myself - and WHOAH!!!! How much fun that was! How much better educated I am than most of the world: A very broad-based education I wish for everyone.

        Isolation remains
  • Mar 11 2013: Central I think is communication, looking at he notebooks of leonardo davinci as an example; I have three but importantly 'without' drawings & illustrations. This to me became obvious and very disruptive so having a clear comprehension of his expressions without this form of leonardo's communications made them much less understandable, okay to me. lol Additional point, I know a brilliant son of a ivy physicist who is pigeonholed as attention disordered who is very much thwarted by this diagnosis emotionally I feel it stymies his pursuit big time.
  • Mar 10 2013: Staying alive. Creative people need to receive money income that reflects the value of their work over time. The way things are now, first they need to die to receive sufficient respect and the money value of their creative output goes to the marketing sector, rather than the creators of the valuable goods and services.
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      Mar 13 2013: I think this is a problem for everyone. Sad isnt it? thanks Rhona
      • Mar 14 2013: You are welcome, Sherriene. Let's change our world to continuously elevate the joy level of all humanity.
  • Mar 10 2013: Earning a living.

    The internet has raised the expectation of the public that creative works are free and this has made a difficult and unpredictable working environment even more so.

    Creative workers have always had to be self-reliant and resourceful but now I would say they have to consider whether creative endeavors are a viable way to earn a living to support a family or whether we should approach our work as a hobby (i.e., not depend on earning much).
  • Mar 5 2013: early challenge is to recognize their own gifts or creative spirits. adequate confidence and self esteem challenges follow as one tries to exercise the nascent potential. promptly, challenges of fortitude emerge in order to look beyond or overcome those threatened by one's boldness. upon adolescence, the difficult pressures to conform or quiet the inner energy are almost as challenging as the vastness of web resources that invite one to reach toward too many diluting opportunities. with maturity arises the challenge of humility, as there are always others with powers to complement, supplement or simply foment. if recognized as a leader, the gifted or creative than must learn to inspire and unleash more than teach. And as you've done, to maintain the grace to be thankful for what each of us has to offer others.
  • Mar 5 2013: I work as an American English teacher in Thailand. Every day I see gifted students and gravitate toward them because I remember being one myself in both family and school environments that had no idea what to do with me. I feel the biggest challenge faced by creative young people is ignorance on the part of those who are their parents and educators. Not only ignorance, but also the resistance and fear of change that is part of the human condition. Rather than trying to fit everyone into a box because that box is what is known, we must be willing to take the risks necessary to enlarge the box and to finally release the box altogether. Doing this means working in the dark in a certain way. Making a choice, taking one step, seeing what happens and using that result to inform the next choice. Ignorance is not a sin, it’s just not knowing…yet. Fear is part of the process, part of facing what is yet not known. Creativity is not linear; for some it’s a spiral, for others possibly circular or something completely random. We all must learn -- and I think this is already in motion -- to welcome change, to embrace and support our children who don’t “fit the mold”…indeed to allow that mold to melt away and free not just them but ourselves as well.
  • Mar 4 2013: I think this conversation is the very point, some believe creatives are "lonely" people walking the planet in misery, others asking "what is" and "is not" defined as creative, and still others talking about things that have no relevance to the subject of creativity and its challenges.

    I define myself as highly creative, possible gifted? The reality here is everyone has an opinion on being creative, creativity and the very act itself.

    The truth is we are all gifted in one way or another, the trick is to understand your own gift. We are all creative in one way or another, the trick is to understand your own creativity.

    I have seen people who have never shared their creative spirit, yet when by themselves, exhibit a natural talent that makes your jaw drop, from wood working to dancing, from writing to painting, from physical abilities to emotional intelligence.

    Who cares what it is...

    The real challenge is not what other people think about the subject, it's what "you" think about the subject.

    Break free from what others believe and start believing in the gift you all have, your minds ability to conceive an idea, imagine a solution and create the result regardless of how good or bad others "think" it to be.
  • Mar 4 2013: Others seem to feel more envious and/or competitive with ppl who seem to have high general intelligence (information, degrees, curiosity, interests, etc) more than with different talents such as artistic, scientific, social, physical etc. Frequently, hi IQ ppl find their statements rejected, questioned, suspect and receive reactions such as rolling of the eyes, condescension and contempt.

    Over time, there may be permanent isolation from or rejection by others, even family members, that think they think "they're so smart." Conversation becomes a frightening prospect and finding friends a difficult process on account of these reactions as well as the smallish number of ppl with whom they can find acceptance and enjoy discussion.

    e.g: Statement X made to bright person; "Wow! I didn't know that! I wonder if it relates to _______
    " average person: "Oh, yeah? And where'd you get THAT idea?

    It's basic prejudice and stigma and the emotional wounds are huge not to mention that if these ppl must hide their talent, society as a whole is deprived of their possible contributions.

    Gifted children should receive the benefits of Special Education funding, preserving/enhancing their abilities and participation.
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    Mar 4 2013: I believe many challenges:

    1. The challenge of making things happen
    2. Lack of mentors to evolve, since they tend to be lonely
    3. Envy from people that are not
  • Mar 3 2013: For me the word 'creative' is key here - probably because I consider myself to be a member of the 'creative arts'! With that in mind, the main challenge is simply the lack of funding in the UK - especially in terms of government bodies. Large, already-established organisations receive funding, but can only employ so many. Individuals may have to work in jobs not related to what they want to do in order to make enough money just to survive, let alone fund their own ideas, and the longer that they have to continue in that job, the further away from their aspirations they get. I'm speaking from the experience of friends and from the point of view of the theatre. Of course, those who are determined to succeed WILL, no matter what challenges or obstacles are thrown into their path - but it's not easy, and certainly not encouraging!
  • Mar 3 2013: Based on the circumstances of a large majority of my friends — many of them fellow artists —I'd say the first thing that jumps to mind is their lack of gainful "employment" — making enough money to not only survive day to day but to pay for medical care and support themselves in their elder years.
  • Mar 3 2013: Well, if it's not time, it's money. If it's not money, it's time. I've been unemployed with plenty of tme to create and work, but no money to do it with. I now have three jobs just to keep going, and no time - and seldom energy - to do anything really creative. Off the op of my head, I'm thinking creativity spaces using empty shops, etc.t
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    Mar 3 2013: Excessive support and attention.
    Creativity needs unconditional passion, not money and fame. I don't believe that exaggerated rewarding helps in nurturing one's creativity.
  • Mar 2 2013: When you have a vision the hardest part is funding it to reality! No matter what you have created in the past you can only do so much to bring it to the level you want it to be. Our site www.profylestudios.com shows what we are capable of as a collection of artists and gifted individuals in different fields. Taking things to the next level of success is a hard mountain to climb.
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      Mar 3 2013: Awesome !!

      I will check the site out & pass it around to many .

      Thank you!! :)
      -mj
      michaeljelacic@facebook.com
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      Mar 4 2013: Woah that is incredible!!! So that's how they build the alien-cyborg from Predator. Amazing what the imagination put into action can do. Thanks for sharing!
  • Feb 28 2013: I think one problem we run into with this question is figuring out how you define "gifted". I know there are many different ways to define it and the traditional I.Q. method is often used, but it can sometimes leave people out. I'm curious as to how others define who is and who isn't "gifted".
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    Feb 28 2013: They are sometimes ostracized as they are separated from the main student body. This causes both envy and a formation of a mentality of "them vs us", which does not aid in social integration.
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    Feb 27 2013: I would say that the biggest challenges presented to gifted, intelligent individuals are less gifted, unintelligent people who possess and control a substantial amount of the cash flow on a national or even provincial/state level (whichever works for your country)
  • Feb 26 2013: The difference in being creative and being a capatalist seems to be the largest creative barrier. I contend that those with true creative ability often disregard the value of any monetary system; which in the end results in either lack of funds to further their creative notion or allowing their creative results to be taken advantage of. The vast majority of humanity would rather monetize creativity rather than marvel at its beauty.
  • Feb 25 2013: Einstein once said "Inspiration is the impact of a fact on a prepared mind"

    I believe this to my core.

    Knowledge is the key to any creative mind, it's not about knowing it to be right or wrong, it's just the knowing.

    I have been a visual learner and have had the ability to take it all in and remember 90%. It has been this fountain head of information that has enabled me to do what I do.

    When faced with the task at hand - creative or cultural (I work in Strategic Brand Marketing) my mind dives in to the store room of knowledge and seemingly connects the dots as if by magic- thats what I would class as creativity. The subconscious act based on the immediate need.

    I believe it is vital that all creatives learn to marshall their minds and foster the ability to focus on the subject.
    In my early days I was easily drawn of task by wayward lines of thinking. Discipline is the key to great creative insight.

    To nurture a creative mind, give them the facts and then let them create a new truth for the pieces that work for them, just ask Einstein if it worked for him.
  • Feb 24 2013: Personally I think that the problem is the attitude to education. I am still in high school but about to leave for college and I have noticed that many people disregard you scores in any subject but maths, English and science. Then even for English many think that those gifted in English simply are not as intelligent as those gifted in maths and science. Also when you see people doing construction whilst your sat in Maths and people belittle them for not possessing the skills required for academic subjects. Personally I'd like to see some of the people in my class redo a pavement. Some people may be gifted at academic subjects, or maybe they are better with their hands. Some people might be incredibly creative and brilliant at subjects like art, others not so much. It doesn't mean that one or the other is less valuable or makes one person better than another. Ignorance is one of the main challenges a prodigy could go unnoticed due to the simple fact that people do not care. Innovation is not valued, the lack of stress put upon certain subjects and the misleading stereotypes attached to certain skills could prevent a person going from mediocre in the 'preferred' subjects to astonishing in places deemed unnecessary and unworthy of time. It may seem cliché but I do think that they are tortured genius' unappreciated and overlooked; forced into mediocrity. This I personally believe is the biggest issue concerning gifted induviduals
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      Feb 25 2013: Hi Meghan! I can see how eloquent you are in language :) I totally agree with you that while you are pushing yourself hard to master the gift that you have, some may look down on you for not being as good in other subjects. I got the same experience as yours when I was a student. While I was doing my own thing in journalism, my grade in Math and Chemistry are basically just winding... And no matter how good I am in writing, it seems like it isn't enough for others.
  • Feb 21 2013: The hardest challenges are communicating new knowledge to others, especially when that knowledge is discovered 'outside' the system of the traditional academy.

    Good luck working on new knowledge if you don't have a traditional degree or the stamp of social approval a degree confers. There's plenty of obvious solutions to problems but communicating them over human biases and illusions of understanding is a lost cause much of the time. Take the comment by Max Planck

    "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."--Max Planck
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      Feb 23 2013: Hey Bob thanks! :) Yes I do agree on this one, too. Communication is also essential. Worse, people tend to take in only those that will benefit them. If it's all for work, most wouldn't mind taking up the responsibility.. We need to shake the society up. thanks again
  • Feb 21 2013: I think it is the acceptance of our individuality and over commercialization.
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      Feb 23 2013: Hi Alex! Could you please expound the part about commercialization? It intrigues me :)
  • Feb 20 2013: The biggest problem that gifted and creative people face is that they are sometimes identified early and then educated by a system run by people who want to train them like show horses or exploit them. The present educational system is geared to create orderly classrooms and low but steady progress. Education does not create or develop genius.
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      Feb 23 2013: Any proposals on how to solve this? Thanks
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        Feb 27 2013: My proposal is to take education out of the hands of commerce. Let it be a stand-alone adventure.

        Right now, education exists to turn individuals into commodities - commodities who can get jobs that allow them to consume, thus funneling profits back into the hands that have the most to gain from our current educational paradigms that intentionally kill innate genius (which incudes creativity) that all are born with.

        Next, get those teachers who love teaching away from students who love learning. Education should be about the student, not the teacher.

        Also, get rid of the power hierarchy. I knew in 2nd grade that I was being disrespected and devalued when my teacher called me by my first name but I was required to call her Mrs. X. It just wasn't right. It was shaming.

        Use traditional methods to teach reading, writing and arithmetic and then non-traditional methods to teach the incredible JOY of learning. Once the JOY of learning is discovered, then students do not need teachers as much as they need tour guides & inspiration.

        Make the question more important than the answer. Reward good questions as much as good answers. Without questions, no education is taking place. How many times were you chastised for asking a question that the teacher said "isn't relevant" to the topic at hand, or that will be addressed in a few years-after enthusiasm dies

        STOP TELLING STUDENTS THAT WHEN THEY HAVE A DIPLOMA OR DEGREE THAT THEY ARE EDUCATED. They are not. They may have basic knowledge. If they went on to earn a specialized degree, they have specialized knowledge; but they have left so much out, they are functionally uneducated. (too few pieces of the big picture)

        Life-long learning is a personal responsibility that comes with GREAT rewards. This is one of the secrets that current educational paradigms work hard to keep secret. The message from our educational paradigms is that self-education is dangerous. I've heard that too many times.

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        • Mar 8 2013: Joy of learning. I think I am one of the lucky ones to have that joy of learning. I do best when I can read, think and absorb the information by myself with someone available to consult if I have a problem understanding something. I am 65 years old, and just started a year long college level class about nutrition. It is distance learning, and uses all the ways people learn. The school is the Institute for Intergrative Nutrition. Brillant program designed to make people succeed, however they personally define success.
          I wish I had been able to go to such a school when I was a child. Since I was so smart I was expected to get A's and only A's and anything less was failure. Set me up for perfectionist failure, time after time. My creative side was encouraged at home with access to art supplies and craft kits given year round. I continued to play with my creativity. I have in the past founded a writer's support group. As the 'leader" I encouraged other creative people who were stuck or blocked to just "play". It was wonderful to be around other people who wanted to create. One thing I did notice was a lack of confidence that was shared by most. So few had been understood or encouraged ever before in their life. Everyone should encourage the "spark of creativity" that exists in each person. What that spark might become is unknown sometimes but just giving a person permission to play can work wonders. They can take that spark, that permission to shine and do whatever they feel is their creative gift to the world.
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    Feb 20 2013: Let me add a few more leads for you.

    If you are doing scholarly research or research for professional development, three compendia of research articles will provide an excellent foundation. They are the Handbook of Gifted Education (child-focused), the Cambrdge Handbook of Learning Sciences, and the Cambridge Handbook of Creativity. In these you will find papers by the leading researchers in this field.

    In terms of organizations, the National Association for Gifted Children is a leading professional organization, which publishes the Gifted Child Quarterly for scholars in this area and a second journal for teachers and parents.

    Other leading organizations that focus on gifted young people and those who teach them that I think are worthy of your taking a peek are the Davidson Institute in Nevada, which takes prodigiously gifted kids out of normal school and transitions them to college work with age-appropriate guidance, the Early Entry Program and Young Scholars Program at the University of Washington, which do the same, and the premier online course offerings specifically tailored to the learning needs of gifted children in the US - Stanford;s Education Program for Gifted Youth, the Stanford Online High School, and Johns Hopkins' Center for Talented Youth.

    The best known public magnet school for gifted children in the US is probably Thomas Jefferson of Alexandria, Virginia, though there are a large number of stellar magnet schools in medium to large cities, as well as private schools for gifted kids. One of the best known, particularly for mathematically precocious kids, is Phillips Exeter Academy.

    One superb online learning source not connected to a brick-and-mortar school or college, again for mathematically gifted kids, that offers not-for-credit courses and a community of learners is Art of Problem Solving. This website draws students from all over the world. Their offerings are superb.
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      Feb 23 2013: Can I give you a hug? This is such a big help! THANKS! Will research on how to get hold of those handbooks.
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        Feb 23 2013: Oh, I am glad! This is my area of specialty. As you are at a university, you know the benefits of looking at research rather than going with anecdotes that tend not to present a valid general picture.
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    Feb 19 2013: Gifted and Creative individuals exist in everyone, but there is a lack of environment and a lack of support for people to rise above what they are currently situated in. For example, a gifted single mother with 3 children that strives to overcome poverty without lapsing to her own mental illnesses of childhood trauma.

    When I mention lack of environment, I mean that there isn't enough space in current education and society to explore and work on our inner selves. We are dealt with what we have and those who don't thrive can not relocate or no one cares to try to understand the person who is different and helping others is a problem when we can't even help ourselves.

    The lack of support is just self-explanatory. Where is compassion and empathy these days? We could all use some good guidance in life or at least someone who can give constructive criticism. I think anyone who is creative or gifted is stifled by the opiates of the masses (capitalism and materialism) as well as social conformity without room to expand upon the frameworks that have been built by the media and authority figures, though we are probably doing much better than people 20 years ago.

    It is just my limited perspective from my limited understanding of the world, but I hope it can aid you somehow. =)
  • Feb 19 2013: The same problems everyone has: to be yourself, to believe in yourself, to live for yourself, and to allow others to do the same.
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    Feb 19 2013: -Namaste
    Is it too strange to think we all have the capability to be gifted and talented if given the proper environmental circumstance. I think we all have the potential to be gifted in a unique aspect of life, much like a human pupil or finger tips. It doesn't seem too far fetched to me to say that we are all contributors to a consciousness discovering itself. Like many frequencies of sound, we can't always register the high and low pitch with our sensory ability. It does not mean it wont play a crucial part in an octave or on a grand scale, the choir of human voices. I think this question Sherrlene, might have more validity if stated "what are the challenges individuals face at present". Then again that is a very open ended question huh?
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    Feb 18 2013: Very Interesting question Sherrelene! I wonder, do you think the challenges creative people face have changed over time, or do you think they have always been the same?

    In my view, I think the biggest challenge is being misunderstood or not fitting in and the labels that come with that, particularly in school and growing up. In the long run, this kind of social isolation is detrimental to creativity, although a lot of artists will claim this is what inspired them or they never cared and just did their own thing. Another major challenge is not finding like-minded people.
    • Feb 18 2013: I agree with this. And it takes a lot of courage to face those people who think they have better ideas than you do. They will look at different factors before they accept your idea. And then there will always be politics. Whoever have more friends in the office/school, their ideas will likely have more people to agree with them.
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      Feb 21 2013: It has always been the same (which makes it more frustrating knowing that Gifted Education has been existing for so many years already). I agree that instead of it becoming an asset, it tends to be a liability for those who have the gift. It's like a risk that is very crucial to display in front of the world.
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    Feb 18 2013: Interesting question and I agree with a lot of what is posted. Taking all these ideas and boiling them down to fundamentals I see challenges in the societal structure that is not geared to allow the gifted people to thrive. Take Mozart as an example. He was lucky enough (or fortunate, or fate allowed, etc) to be born in a musical family that allowed his gift to be recognized AND nurtured. He did, however, spend a great deal of his life making money and taking commissions to survive.

    So, what if right at this moment there is a girl in the Philippines with the same gift that will never be known to mankind. OR, a person on this forum with a remarkable gift (for anything: painting, science, poetry) but will never be recognized because they must go to an office so they can do a job to pay for rent.

    Our educational system is standardized. Not all students get full assessment tests of abilities (and on going assessments as many talents appear late in life). They must make time for procuring funding. (grants or perhaps just making a living).

    We, as a race, are getting better at allowing ability to thrive. More and more people can and are recognized for talents, But until our culture changes to an attitude of "This is important. We will focus on ability. We will let the human condition thrive." I fear that extraordinary ability will run into the same challenges it has for thousands of years. And when we think of the "greats" Socrates, Mozart, Einstein. etc. We have to wonder. What if..... What if Socrates was not forced to drink poison. OR What if Einstein did not have to take a job as a patent clerk. (btw, fantastic story about how this helped him derive his theories)

    LOL.... then again. Some people argue (and with some merit) That those challenges helped them be great.

    I still would like to see a world wide movement to recognize and aid the gifted.
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      Feb 18 2013: I believe everyone has a some form of creativity which may or may not be discovered and expressed but by gift I understand a talent that will shine through whether or not it is nurtured. The combination of being gifted and creative is certainly not common in everybody. My opinion entirely.
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      Feb 21 2013: True! While some think that these challenges may be as great motivations, others may take these as more of "depressants".

      It is frustrating to know that we are blessed with so many gifted people yet we lack the opportunities to give them and the chances to show what they can do and contribute
    • Feb 24 2013: I'm with you Leo - I think far too many of the gifted in this world are beaten down and forced into lockstep with our American form of education, which totally stifles creativity and does not encourage these kids enough. I know my daughter would be capable of so much, but as a totally bored 7th grader she couldn't care less now. It is so sad to watch that creativity be suppressed despite my trying to get her school's administration and teachers to do something about it.
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    Feb 18 2013: Lack of respect.
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      Feb 21 2013: That's one of the hardest challenges that we need to address. Thank you.
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    Feb 18 2013: I think the biggest challenge is the fear of criticism. Every creator fears his or her critic. Educating individuals to understand that criticism and opposition is an essential process that refines their creation is imperative to enable people to develop the courage to create.
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      Feb 18 2013: I agree! It's really hard especially when you know you've placed all your energies to make it all good and yet you end up being criticized. Thanks! :)
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    Feb 18 2013: The biggest challenge is trying to understand the minds of others. People seem to think and do all sorts of stuff that makes no sense. But you've just got to let them go.
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      Feb 18 2013: Yes, you're right. The problem is, human as they are they can't help but get hurt... :( thanks for these wonderful thoughts!
  • Mar 16 2013: Also, I think it is important to differentiate between gifted, creative, and artistic. These characteristics are compatible of course, but do not necessarily go together.
  • Mar 16 2013: If a person is Truly "gifted" and "Creative"

    Then they will also be "aware" enough to stay far Far away from such attitudes and the elitist mentality such as displayed here in this quote. (Not only that but save themselves $7,500" too!!!)

    "Each year, the world's leading thinkers and doers gather for an event many describe as the highlight of their year. Attendees have called it "The ultimate brain spa" and "A 4-day journey into the future, in the company of those creating it." There are now several ways to participate in a TED conference.. "
  • Mar 16 2013: I consider myself both gifted and creative. I am currently experiencing my own challenge. I lost my job because after years of working in a mode I was not comfortable in, I couldn't fit into the role allocated to me any longer. So now I am a creative person looking for a job and finding that we live in a world where people expect art to be free and where making a living through creativity is considered a dream accessible only to the privileged few blessed with extraordinary talent and/or luck and the right connections.
    The world pays lip service to encouraging creativity in children, but leaves few avenues open for those so encouraged to realistically engage in it as a vocation. Rather it is relegated to the status of a hobby, or channeled into more productive and marketable skills. It is seen as something of a burden which, building inside like an unexpressed emotion, must be vented through a 'creative outlet'; as if this expression of what makes us human were not among the most amazing and utterly unique occurrences in the natural world, but a symptom of an unfortunate mental state. People say they wish they were creative. What they mean is that they believe they would enjoy being able to create something, to introduce a part of themselves into the world and give it a life apart from themselves. They really only wish they were just a little creative, just enough to reap the benefits with none of the repercussions that come from trying to find your way in a world where pursuing creativity means your options are both limitless and extremely limited, but never secure.
    Being creative means exposing your inmost self, making yourself vulnerable, and suffering or glorifying in the consequences.
    For a creative person to choose a creative path - speaking from the limited perspective of one just starting that journey - is both terrifying and tantalizingly exciting.
  • Mar 16 2013: As a society we say that we celebrate the gifted and the creative. As an artist and someone who works with children who have learning disabilities, autism, and ADHD I can tell you this is not true. It is not until you have reached some level of success that society finds you acceptable and praise worthy. If you are a child that does not fit into the cookie cutter mentality you are not nurtured. They (the normals) talk about you discussing your oddities using it as a source of amusement and wonder.

    As a society we need to stop trying to stamp out cookie cutter children and let them reach the potential they were born to reach. Who cares if every child can do geometry or write a 5 paragraph essay? That ADHD kid might be the next Xgame athlete. That autistic child might stamp out cancer or figure out the God particle. That ADD kid might be slow because they are thinking of the next philosophical revolution. That artistic child that does not want to follow the rubric in art class might be the next Picasso.

    Until we stop trying to fit every child to the same mold we will stifle the light of many that have been born to lead us into the next creative evolution.

    Charlotte Horton
  • Mar 16 2013: Lack of challenges in mathematics & sciences in the US, especially related to middle & high school education (ages 12-18) due to poor teachers or "dumbed down" curriculum.
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    Mar 15 2013: Oh yes, let me think.
    1. Parents not understanding
    2. Destructive enviornments
    3. Peers not understanding them
    4. Feeling the world around you needs to step up a peg
    5. Hoping people will stop being judgemental

    Just to think of a couple.
    I told this one student in my class that I wanted to be a teacher. He said how, you're blind?
    Of course he was an intellectual, but still he thought so. He was an outcast, but still he thought so.
    I thought that if I can do as well as the other students in my general education class then why not. All it takes is an idea for things to evolve, for people to evolve. The mind is powerful.
  • Mar 14 2013: Teach kids how to manage money, allow them to concentrate about creative and practical thinking, this will be a start.
    Change the social structure and teach kids that every productive citizen in any society should be given some recognition for their contribution to the society regardless to where they live to town or country, financial status, or class.
    Recognise the contribution of the community as a whole.
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    Mar 13 2013: hello Sherrlene..
    i think schools should not only limit the course of studies to books.... students should b given more of practical sessions and they should b taught to find solutions to general problems.....
    instead of giving them an all day class schedule, they should in intervals with practical examples.....they should b allowed to analyse n solve problem themselves....
    this would help to get the creative ideas of the students....
    students have high potential of creativity....it should b enhanced instead of being surpressed...
    thank you
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      Mar 14 2013: Hi Vishesh! True! I agree with you! It's a bit sad to see kids migrate to the cities because they think there are MORE opportunities there... Centralization of everything is another problem, perhaps? What do you think?
    • Mar 15 2013: in that regard I think it is very important to start with the economy of the student, this is, wile all should have access to the proper education, the capacity of a person to pay for goods should not be forgotten, I am not suggesting to charge more to those ho can pay, instead I am suggesting the access of goods that in most schools are not offered, under the excuse/argument that all should have the same chances and the same education, if the student can afford better hardware/software there should not be limits as this are affecting his/her chances of prosperity & are affecting the interests of the individual.

      schools for the poor should focus on teaching techniques, and this should be the ones most needed, as if the student has to leave school, or has to start working, he/she will have the skills of a technique that really pays, I see that a lot of schools have been teaching random general knowledge, regardless that the poor do not need that sort of knowledge, they need money, more than anything else, the techniques to make money should be what is the main focus and not something else.

      if the student has the money to live and pays bills, then and only then should other things be considered.
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        Mar 15 2013: hey Robert..
        well true...people who can afford have no limits....
        but how do we get the unfortunate ones who are talented, to compete with them?
        n yea...working skill is more important than getting educated...
        would you agree to say that learning skill and technique is more important than only reading books?
        • Mar 15 2013: You say "how do we get the unfortunate ones who are talented, to compete with them?".

          I say: The best short answer is.... we don't!...

          It is unfair for the nature that depends on us, for the society that we live in, for the rich and for the poor, to create such idea, the poor and the rich live in the same country yet their goals are quite different.

          Consider that each one has a role in this world and having a stranger steeping on your toes wont make you very happy!

          And yes learning a skill is more important than reading books, plus books are for those ho don't have internet.

          With the internet I can learn by my self 2 to 4 times faster than in school!, plus I can focus on what I really need and not on what a stranger wants to trow my way, as would be in a school.

          The goal is to have the poor making a income that allows them to capitalize, to be able to pay healthcare and all the daily expenses.

          The ugly thing is that all the nations already know this, and only a few "act" accordingly.
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        Mar 16 2013: ok..i agree to your point here...
        n yes....most nations dont work accordingly...
        thanx Robert..
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    Mar 11 2013: I observe multi-faceted challenges (for jobs spec):
    -Institutionalized systems & values that perpetuate "success" as being defined by (& measured with) culturally-narrow & -exclusive markers.
    -A contradiction in expectations: whereas a dynamic, well-rounded person is able to offer depth, wisdom & a diverse perspective/experience, the underlying perception that "jack of all trades, master of none" often wins out in reality. Creatives have to segment or promote one skill at a time lest they appear unprofessional or "flaky."
    -Movement away from or lack of mentorship, apprenticing, etc. Many creative skills are learned on the job through hands-on experience, however educational systems & career paths have made slower steps towards including, supporting or developing non-traditional/non-academic learning methods or styles.
    -Stereotypes of creative fields/people PLUS the reduction/lack of well-funded or -supported arts education in schools combine to undermine creative careers as being accessible, profitable, respectable, etc.
    -Lack of diverse, flexible & sustainable career options, across ALL sectors, for ALL stages of one's career. At some point in their careers most creatives are faced with the dreaded decision between creativity/fulfillment/freedom vs. finance/health/stability needs.
    -Lack of transparent, formalized, and/or stable work systems (i.e., healthcare, insurance, compensation, benefits, professional development, etc.) leads to negative competition, financial instability, stunted growth & segregation of disciplines.
    -Disconnection between "artistic" traits/strengths/assets/perspective and traditional workforce traits or values. Ex.: the retail/fashion/media/entertainment worlds offer well-paid, stable employment for a huge slice of the creative workforce, but the nature of those business models (being focused on the almighty dollar) is almost always foreign/difficult for a creative person to acclimate or "succeed" in.
    -EQUAL ACCESS FOR ALL to the arts!
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      Mar 13 2013: Nicole dearest! Thank you for this! This will be really helpful :D
      • Mar 17 2013: Yes i second that Sherrlene, a woman of substance Nicole, it's writing and thoughts like that which make me think, yeah they are some "brilliant people" about, thanks for sharing
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    Mar 11 2013: I myself was born a gifted and talented individual, my main problem is socializing with other students and high sensitivity with the things around me, this also deals with a change in my senses.
    • Mar 11 2013: I am 60 now, but as a teen I had to curb my expression (dumb-down) to talk to my friends so they understood me.
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      Mar 13 2013: hey andrew! Thanks for sharing your thoughts here! In which field are you specifically gifted at? What's your other concerns
  • Mar 11 2013: Relevance.
    Relevance in a world of credentialed gatekeepers.
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      Mar 13 2013: Hi Bill, I find this profound and very interesting! I hope you can expound on this more :) thanks
  • Mar 10 2013: Basically, an outlet to express our thoughts in a way that people can value them and to be part of a community of like-minded (brilliant-minded) individuals. Society is like a jail to me: I want to break free, but I am shackled to it because I am too young and with no opportunities at hand. I don't think anyone will bail me out; I just hope that time will liberate me from my sufferings. I want to grow up. (Ranting is rather cathartic)
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      Mar 13 2013: Any suggestion to resolve this one? Outlet for expression is one of the common problems I have heard; but I cannot (at least not yet) identify the best way to deal with this. It's a bit frustrating that most would consider this solved with money
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    Mar 10 2013: i like the topic of your research. basically i feel that talented people are surpressed by the schools and colleges. the education system which highlight that good grades are necessary, kills the creativity of students loading them with high tasks.
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      Mar 13 2013: Vishesh hi! How can we solve this knowing that we have an entire history of education system to transform? Any suggestions? Thanks
      • Mar 17 2013: Maybe an idea would be to have left brain and right brain academys, whereas they don't learn the esoteric, but only the creative arts therefore putting them in good stead,

        two sytems in one, ticky boxes, (yes i know that i can demonstrate that)
        and the Other, can you see this, it's depictured as, the viel is your; and interpuration, pur* as meant ot be...

        simple to do, this with a real time strategy model, no one could refuse, no-one, :)...
        It would harness what you desire yet it is detrimental to happiness if ineffictively pursued, the rightminded physical would deteriate a "little"

        If you were to pursue this, i'd say to let the goverment take credit for it, as in consiouness, they are inhibited, yet they shouldn't be, by the consenquenses of blame...
  • Mar 10 2013: Those who hold to the culture of university eg, not only can't fathom an 'uneducated' individual approaching their level of intelligence, they cannot seem to deal with intuitive innovation. University is in the box. Intuitive people are outside the box. That's why I hold US Patent 7,895,850 and major OEM engineers insist it can't work, while I have one running in W Chester, Pa. They don't even want to see it. They can't tolerate the idea that something they don't understand, which was discovered by an 11th grade dropout, with no deep engineering or math training, can work, and enhance and improve what they have invented and marketed. It is part NIH syndrome (not invented here). They are threatened by raw intelligence, and original thought. So, the 'engineers' and so-called 'scientists' look down on me, and I am given no credibility, even though I correct what engineers produce and market unperfected. They take umbrage that I tell them I corrected their problem, rather than offer some reward - even kudos. I am relegated to the ranks of my peers in the field, because I am at that level of credentialing. Credentials and orthodoxy create my glass ceiling. My polish is rough, and manner direct. I am an INTP by Keirsey Temperament score. Connect the dots. My peers too dislike me. My 'intelligence', my propensity to be correct so often in our field, and innovative, and creative (original) thinking, and use of metaphor no doubt intimidates. I am made fun of, yet they call me and use me without compensation when they are stumped on a technical problem. They make fun of my suggestions for invention, calling me Ralph Kramdon. Before I got a patent, it was "If that worked, don't you think Carrier or somebody would already have invented it!?" After being awarded the patent, it's just luck that I got it - a one-in-a-billion fluke. My many other inventions which I can't afford to pursue don't count. Just more hair-brained schemes. Creative/gifted is a lonely place. speak further?
    • Mar 10 2013: Your mind is colourful, they just can't appreciate it.
      • Mar 11 2013: Thanks Michael. The world values different, and I think far shallower things.
        Relevance is difficult for us, ya know? I think we need a place to meet, be a group.
        I rarely meet anyone who understands me when I go deep. I see many people right here now, whom I can see 'get it'.

        In one way, I regret not getting formal education. But then I think, would they have taught me that I can't do the things I do? Part of inventiveness for me, is that nobody taught me these things I imagine couldn't be done.

        "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." ~ Walt Disney
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      Mar 13 2013: It's like you want some rainbow but they can only appreciate black and white.... worse, they call you WRONG for having a different mindset... tsk :(
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    Mar 10 2013: In India, if you are a gifted creative individual, you are liability to your own family because here people want Doctor, Engineer and Scientist or Businessman in the family as their children and not creative. Sadly we Indians are very much concerned about earning money only. Due to this most of our great artists in Fine Art, Performing art are out of our country and recognised by world more then our own people!
    • Mar 11 2013: It is the same in China. The reason is, in poor societies, people are more focused on getting the family ahead with a kind of survival instinct. As societies become more middle class and feel less pressure, I think this changes. When I was leaving university 25 years ago and decided to pursue a career as an artist instead of engineering (my training) my family was really disappointed, too shamed to say it but it was unmistakable. Now they see it was the right choice for me, even though I still sometimes face economic hardship from year to year. I think the same will be true in India. Culture is a valuable asset of any country.

      But ironically, my engineering training came in handy to get me work when I was finding my way, and provided me some practical organizational skills that are an advantage.

      One interesting point is that as developing countries become more prosperous, it actually creates some opportunity for creative people since "New Rich" tend to invest in art as a status symbol, which is good for artists because we need to eat!
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        Mar 13 2013: Xie xie nin! Coming from a chinese family like you, I know how tight chinese families are. What happens to our gifted chinese back home?
        • Mar 14 2013: Much depends on economics because middle class have more opportunities but I think China is developing to the point where social mobility is more possible and more of an issue driving change and the internet has become a force for public dialogue and driving change.

          But we still have a long way to go, so keep walking ....
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      Mar 13 2013: SERIOUSLY?! Oh my! So what happens to the gifted ones :(
  • Mar 10 2013: I would say the greatest challenge for me is earning a living. I live in the UK. We do have a creative industry definitely but not enough of one so opportunity to actually earn a living using your creative skills is very limited. I can list many creative people in my life, myself included, who have not been able to fulfill their full creative potential.

    Creativity in schools, both in teaching and learning and the curriculum is limited though naturally varies from school to school/teacher to teacher, but I would say that over all creativity is side-lined. Seen as not as important, irrelevant almost.
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      Mar 13 2013: So gifted can excel in school but not at work... makes sense! It's going to be a long, crazy line of dilemmas... thank you
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    Mar 10 2013: For those gifted professionals that have already made it in life, the problem in hand is being subjected to Peer Pressure for fear of being ridiculed and possibly having to give up their careers.
    This is perhaps the biggest secret being kept among the professional community knowing that everyone else knows but still pretending that no one else does.
    Brilliant newcomers are subjected in having to study theories which have since been discarded engraving those thoughts into their minds doing more damage than good.

    Joke to be taken serious:

    Professor to his superior; Sir I have just discovered a new crayon. What color would you like it to be?

    Dean; You will have to wait for the Peer Review meeting, and hope they are not color blind.

    Professor; But Sir, what if they are?

    Dean; Well then my dear fellow, you will just have to discover something else if they can’t see it.

    Professor; and if I don’t?

    Dean; Well then I’m afraid you will have to go and sell your crayons somewhere else.

    Student to professor during lecture the next morning; Tell us Professor, how did your new discovery go?

    Professor; I made a huge mistake; I rechecked my data and discover a few blind spots in my calculations.
  • Mar 9 2013: "Gifted" and "creative" are very vague terms. The appearance of a person as gifted or creative depends on what those perceiving them value. If a person values athletic ability, they will see athletes as gifted. If a person values art or music, they will see artists and musicians as the gifted ones. And so on & so forth. This goes to say that nearly everyone is "gifted in their own way."

    The challenges "gifted" & "creative" people face is that not everyone can see how they are gifted, since each individual perceives a different niche of people/professions as the truly gifted or creative ones. This is a problem because it causes us to deride certain types of creativity and gifted abilities that could provide real value or richness to our lives and to society.
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    Mar 9 2013: For me I grew up in Springs South Africa. Fascinated with science from a young age I too would question my teachers as to the HOW and WHY about things. There was no outlet for me to grow my intelligence and I was quite shy as well. It nearly destroyed my self-worth and for many years I felt out of place. This was back in the late 60’s and early 70’s. It was not until my early 30’s that more and more technology was coming out allowing me to finally make use of mind. I was able to study all the new scientific theories from Quantum Physics to Cosmic Theories. I have even discovered new key developments to understanding Autism. But not many will take me seriously because I did not go to a university. In today’s world I would be teaching at the same universities not willing to listen! I am a member of Mensa and can uphold my theories to debate and peer review if only given the chance. That is why I have joined Ted Talks. A young man named Jimmy Kucaj suggested Ted Talks as a way to share my lifelong work of 25 years of research. Jimmy has volunteered to be my illustrator to help people understand my theory. It’s my last chance. I am here and if the Ted community feels I am worthy I will be forever thankful to all of you. For to have answers that can help people in profound ways but not being able to share them is a loss for humanity.
    Thank You Bushy
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      Mar 9 2013: Bushy I wish you all the luck in the world. You deserve a chance and I hope the rest of the Ted community gives you an open door.
      Lisa
    • Mar 9 2013: Good luck to you Bushy. I hope you succeed beyond your wildest dreams.
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        Mar 10 2013: Thanks Craig,
        I am putting together a conversation topic that hopefully will create some great conversations.
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      Mar 13 2013: Hi Sir! It is humbling to meet a Mensa member here :) thank you for taking time to give your thoughts out on my topic. Are there schools in S. Africa that actually focus on giftedness? What does Mensa say about our current gifted ed status?
  • Mar 8 2013: A Tale in VerseVersus

    Monday
    Academic Freedom

    MOTHER OF INVENTION

    ~ the struggle ~
    A sinister hypocrisy
    permanently
    warped my ability
    to trust.

    my own blood's perfidy
    placed my value in conformity
    to authority,rather than in forming
    an individual identity,
    naturally.

    The consequences
    of Parent-Teacher conferences
    wherein they were applying
    authoritarian principles
    to finding the offenses
    I'd probably committed,
    to reach consensus,
    extract my penitences;
    their duty was to reinforce
    intellectual obsolescence.

    Sing along with me
    the old-school harmony
    dedicated to adults'
    evading responsibility:

    "She's not
    working up
    to her
    ability!"



    Assignments were simplistic,
    both quick and slow to finish
    drove the teachers ballistic -
    (more work for them, implicit.)

    Teaching to the typical
    student had obstacles;
    only teachers were the mythical
    average intellectual;
    all know equality
    lies in uniformity!
    [slow kids were the rubble,
    while fast kids made the trouble.]


    But that's history.
    In my misery,
    I surmised,
    a slower, duller
    presentation
    would be
    wise.

    Submitting homework late,
    inserting spelling errors,
    copy, don't create,
    stories without metaphors,
    display a careless attitude,
    questions are abhorred -
    just answer with their platitudes.

    Using my legendary "high ability"
    I proved their specious certainty
    and over time and gradually
    (entertaining myself invisibly)
    maintaining my facial expression
    of slavish interest in the lesson
    I disappeared into safety,

    side-stepped Armageddon
    and invented
    academic freedom
  • Mar 8 2013: Great answers so far! You guys really get it and that's really heart-warming to know I'm not alone! Here some more from the perspective of a gifted high school student:

    THE SHEER AMOUNT OF BUREAUCRACY AND STANDARDIZED-CRAP WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH
    My friends and I are incredibly smart and the problems at school don't challenge us at all. Yet we're still constantly submitted to it. Its incredibly boring and depressing to know that you are capable of so much more, but are still subjected to doing the work of people of lowest tier of intelligence. It makes you extremely unmotivated and we're constantly looking for the easy way out of all that mundane work at the cost of our grade. This in turns leads us into more despair as now our grades don't reflect our true intellect and now no one will see that and offer us the chance to show the world our brilliance (bad grade -> bad college -> bad/no good jobs for you). Its like getting your doctorate but being only allowed to work as a factory worker your entire life. Eventually, all the muck around you pulls you down and you start to believe you're part of it.

    NO SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO RECOGNIZE AND CATAPULT THESE PEOPLE TO HEIGHTS DESERVING OF THEIR TALENTS
    Really, besides honors/AP classes there's no way for us to truly achieve the greatest limits of our minds.

    ADDITIONAL NOTES
    We're highly motivated and when we're interested in something we take action to learn it. We can do things by ourselves and for me even better by myself, but mounds of work piled on by our school system doesn't allow us the freedom of pursing this interests. More depression and loss of motivation.

    When your mind works so fast, it painful to walk at the same slow speed as everyone else.

    In addition to standardized-crap, we also have to do additional work like volunteering 200+ hours or learning 2 languages or a bunch of other crap in order to prove that we are different and gifted from the rest to future colleges and employers.
  • Mar 7 2013: Talented, like-minded colleagues need. And requires a peer that has a more mature level of emotion. Have a vision and a lot of thought, and requires a special community that supports talent. Try to visit here , May be there an inspirations... Thanks for your idea...
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    Mar 7 2013: To be told that there is a "group" of creative and/or gifted individuals.
  • Mar 7 2013: I have added replies to a few responses below. To sum up: I believe the potential to be gifted and talented is spread across all classes and groups of people. It is more often noticed in poorer classes because those that succeed stand out more than in richer ones, where a minimum level of gifted and talented ability is expected. Note that the reverse is also true: failure among the rich stands out far more than success.

    My personal experiences as someone classified as gifted and talented have been less than stellar. My most pressing need that has not been met is that of guidance and support. Being exceptionally intelligent does not give one miraculous access to ideas on what to do when one grows up, nor does it guarantee financial, social or other success.

    Like many creative and intelligent people, I am not easily fitted into a single box. I now realize that one of my strengths is in collation and correlation of seemingly unrelated details...not an easily recognizable skill since by definition it cuts across categories. However, sometimes seeing the bigger picture has been more of a hindrance than a help for me.

    My own high standards and perfectionist tendencies have more than once led to my downfall, as I was overwhelmed by the number of potential options available, by the ability to perceive obstacles to achieving a goal, or by similar roadblocks to creative progress. What I needed growing up, and still need most, are practical problem solving skills, and ways to break up goals into manageable chunks.

    I dearly wish for a mentor who could introduce me to the right people to get what I want done accomplished. What I needed growing up was a mentor who could narrow my potential and give me focus. I need a starting direction, and the support to follow that direction to the end. Deny me that support and I become an average Joe, waving my hands in the air, only worse because I know I could do, could be, so much more...which is unbelievably frustrating and depressing.
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    • Mar 8 2013: Right on the dot. You have said nearly all my pains and I can deeply sympathize with you. Thank you for sharing!
      • Mar 8 2013: Thanks to you, and to the other wonderful people here, I no longer feel so alone in my difficulties. Your support and fellow feeling has helped a great deal, as has the support of everyone who has replied or agreed with my posting. Thank you all for helping me keep going!
  • Mar 4 2013: thank you - what a great way to meet like-minded individuals. i willwork on this.
  • Mar 4 2013: Great question, I would have to say that in our current economy money is a huge issue. Many gifted and talented students are the product of lower middle class families. This is due to the fact that they have nothing but there brain, many choose to waste this with drugs or alcohol but some, some kids are inventive. They create games from nothing or create something out of the junk they have around. These kids are smarter but not as educated. Due the fact they are always thinking, and thinking outside the box. There are no limitations for these kids, they no nothing about the laws of physics and are free to string together ideas from every aspect of education they know. Because you can only go as far as you limit yourself to. So if you know nothing about limitations your possibilities are endless. Also these kids usually go noticed because they are to afraid to be wrong, because there ideas are limited due to our knowledge as a people even though these kids are probably making break throughs never thought of before.
    • Mar 7 2013: This is a common misnomer...there is a more or less even spacing out of gifted and talented people between the rich and the poor...base level gifted and talented potential has nothing to do with any class as best I can tell from those who I have known to have it. It is simply that when a poor person makes good it stands out so much more, because they can be seen fighting the obstacles of their socioeconomic status, whereas when a rich person does well, it is because they were "expected to live up to the family standards," "got into a good school because of the family name," etc.

      In other words, somehow a poorer person's success is always a surprise and therefore stands out, while a rich person's success is expected, and therefore remains unnoticed in the larger scheme. That's neither the rich person nor the poor person's fault...it's simply a result of perceived expectations.
      • Mar 10 2013: Yes, I agree. I think also that if a person comes from a lower income/working class family they can often struggle to succeed because less is expected of them.
        A middle class/upper class person may be expected to do well and to achieve success or at least a different kind of success to that of someone from a working class family. There is also the potential for a much higher level of financial support in more affluent families which can contribute to the creative/intellectual success of their children.
  • Mar 4 2013: For creative people, probably corporate industry, which with the progression of technology has been trying to control as much as possible. Example, Games Workshop at least temporarily successfully blocking distribution of a book that featured the genre term "space marine" based on common law trademark even though the term itself pre-existed Games Workshop's first use of the term by 55 years and the space marines in the book they blocked were more similar to Heinlein's space marines and mobile infantry rather than with Warhammer 40,000. Warner Brothers when they started trying to crack down on fanfiction of Harry Potter even though JK Rowling owns the copyright AND trademark to the series and she wasn't attacking fanfiction. Sega trying to remove YouTube videos that make even basic references to one of their games, even if the reference was just the title of a game. Just as some examples. There are many more. At least that's the case for creative people.

    Gifted people, wouldn't know. Wasn't considered gifted. Wasn't even considered all that inventive until grad school. Creative yes, but that lead to some other issues with school due to the style of the creativity and media of interest.
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    Mar 4 2013: They face ignorant teachers, parents and friends.

    Colleges look for sport players and give them scholarships. There is no program for gifted.
  • Mar 4 2013: Adequate educational resources in primary and secondary school. We used to have an hour every week to learn a little bit of science at an accelerated pace. Our former president bush cut funding to this program (which probably explains the previous poster's comments on conservatives) and so my last year of it was in 8th grade. Our schools in the US focus on a "teach to the middle" approach that is detrimental to students at both the high and low sectors of intellectual ability. The pace is too slow for the bright ones and too fast for the dull ones. This stymies much of the potential of our workforce. To my country's credit, I do believe that we have since reinstated this program. Oh and it is or at least was called Gifted and Talented Education. Creativity I believe was a subcategory of both Gifted and talented. With gifted referring to high general intelligence and talented referring to any other quality deemed to be exceptional. So in short, access to adequate educational resources, which is why I am most likely going to send my kids to private school if possible.
  • Mar 4 2013: If you are looking for gifted and creative individuals to contribute to your research, talk to a stranger, ask a family member, or look in the mirror. We all are gifted in different ways. Everyone's experience is truly unique, and we all face challenges.
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    Mar 4 2013: Lack of support from people around you whether they are your family, neighbors, colleges or people with highly conservative views, this can be challenging for anyone who wants to be OUTSIDE the BOX. Creativity is not something to be contained or restricted to routines and fixed timelines, schedules, etc. and specifically, the kind of system we find in schools and most workplaces. I find that the biggest challenge is finding a community where creativity is being utilized to improve our education and benefit the lives of other people. Not many jobs out there look for creative individuals, in fact, they're mainly suited for the left-brain thinkers and people who demonstrate practical skills. It's definitely challenging for students who choose to go into a field of art, despite their growing passion, there's little opportunity to display their talents where they can profit from it. The ones who succeed in this field are those who have dedicated years in education or perhaps spent their whole lives perfecting their craft and established a namesake. I don't think the education system has evolved into a better one so that "gifted and talented" students can grow. It appears to me that they look for other avenues that will help them, even if that means "dropping out" and pave their own road so to speak.
  • Mar 3 2013: I think children lack the encouraging environment to motivate their interests and as well as adults' supporting environment for them to go on searching the curious world in their lives ,they are the most chanllenges for the gifted and creative individuals in my place
    • Mar 4 2013: ever told: "Music? No, you can't make a living with it."
      "Science? No, that's for boys."
  • Mar 3 2013: being creative but has no strategy how to implement
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      Mar 3 2013: But if you possess the Creative vision strategy tactics knowledge and network skills experience business sense proven success .... Team ideas changes to improve companies like facebook or the iPhone with the plan to implement which is not tough when you create something that is needed & helps people + changes the world in seemingly no time like Facebook Google Apple or the web itself .. What if you have all that then what ... Now who do I talk to ... And I don't ant to be famous and I don't care about the time effort or $ it will improve the world and help people and children also Facebook themselves there can be no other solution for this particular subject I am on of helping Facebook and people and providing tools and ways for better learning easier completion of tasks in real life .. I don't even need that much while peoenare asking for 300 grand to make an app for jogging whole I need about 10 -20 to start up creation of an education platform that helps everyone involved specifically teacher that do not go in facebook for the most part and parents who mostly are disconnected from the school system and their child's day to say progress it doesn't end there .. i have anout 30 visions that are a must in todays we device internet connected society and for another big one wuld have to be for law enforcement the easily allow people to Make money organize lives have access to info at anytime replace books save trees automate tasks I can't do it all thats for sure mabey sell ideas so others can pool and develop .. Have a good day cheers -mj

      Startup funding or lend a hand Teens are bored with Facebook they need change education should be he focus this plan will work just as the cameras take photos of Santa still I have waited to talk to people directly a d we them since 1994 highs hoop graduation when I said one day we will talk via cell and see each other or carry computers around ... IPhone- FaceTime- Skype- web- "Facebook is the web within the web" -mj2013
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    Feb 28 2013: definition of gifted and creative. avoiding the use of data to try and define the parameters.
  • Feb 27 2013: Yes I agree. I believe that the creative "act" is on a subconscious level with the guiding insight being driven by the conscious mind.

    To focus on one thing creatively takes practise and discipline. To not be suckered into blind alleys comes with experience, as do all skills. Too many people try to harness their minds to single ideas or concepts and this leads, in my opinion, to solutions that only fit one size. Creativity is a freedom that all should be able to be shared with all, regardless of their perspective.

    What do you think?
    • Feb 27 2013: Indeed, in analytical terms, perspective plays a key role in creativity. Put a group of people around a statue, and each person will see it differently according to his angle -- though all are looking at the exact same object. The creative individual will be walking around the statue, changing his perspective, looking at it differently, ultimately gaining a better understanding of the object.

      Now, to stay on topic, the challenge this creative individual will face is when trying to explain to the others what he has seen. Brilliant creative minds need to develop the ability to organize their thoughts and deliver an Executive Summary.
  • Feb 27 2013: Cookie-cutter education. We had to move my daughter to a new school this last year because the superintendent of her old school imposed a district-wide policy of no extra help for the slower students, and no extra challenges for the faster students. Consequently, my daughter was bored a year ago, because half-way through the school year, her teacher was still presenting material that she had already learned. In tough economic times, educational programs that target kids whose abilities lie outside of a narrowly defined "average range" are all to easy to cut from the curriculum.
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      Feb 28 2013: I completely agree. One size fits all education is to the detriment of almost everyone. Curiosity is culled early on and with it the joy of learning. Our current educational system is not well-suited for todays World. Boredom draws the gifted back and failure on exams puts labels on the 'slow' for life. We judge our children so early and so often and yet we all know judging others is a bad thing.

      We would be served abandoning the entire thing and setting up a few 'centers' where kids could go to draw, paint, build (lego or woodwork age dependent) and a variety of other things. Let them choose.
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    Feb 27 2013: I met Richard Turere when he was a herds boy a year go, today he wowed the TED audience about his invention. Unlike many gifted African children Richard is growing up in a tough physical and cultural environment actually does not traditionally encourages children to constantly innovate. In fact children in his community are generally not even permitted to converse with adults and are expected to simply do what they are told. Having spent a lot of time with his family I can honestly say that what was different for Richard was that his parents let him play - he broke things and got into trouble, but they never discouraged him from experimenting. Nor did they put huge expectations on him. I totally connected with what Sugata said - all kids need is encouragement and they will get on with learning. I've seen how encouragement has transformed a boy who experimented secretly in his bedroom to one who is now talking with surprising confidence on the big stage. He has no idea how inspiring his story is for so many under privileged kids who only see limitations. What Richard experiences is limitless freedom to experiment and he does not "know" the meaning of the word failure in the same way that we do.
  • Feb 27 2013: Hi Sherrlene, sorry for the late reply. I was thinking about the music industry. Sometimes, labels force too much the creative process because they have to make money and hurts the individual's creativity.
  • Feb 25 2013: I'd say for gifted - its just not valued in our education system. Teachers like clever students, so they don't have to spend time teaching them, but not too clever because then they might demand to be taught! At school everyone is taught at the same speed - and because of the 'no child gets left behind' scheme, that level is to the slowest people in that class, no one is allowed to learn ahead - in fact independent learning is barely taught at all so pupils are stuck at the teachers pace. At older ages we have some levels - but the testing to get in a level is terrible. Every year for science I would be put in a low group, then the teacher would realise I knew the whole sylabus and move me up, we would be tested again and I would start the next year in a low group (I think because I was diagnosed with a learning disability). For maths I was barely taught anything new, classes consisted of worksheets because no one seemed to understand algebra but me, everytime you finish one worksheet you are given another equally easy worksheet. Utter boredom.

    For creativity - its just not valued. Creative writing barely comes up, and when it does we are given no tips apart from spelling until 15/16, when we might if lucky do one creative writing piece as part of gcses and get feedback, or we might not get this opportunity until a-level if we choose the right subjects. Art is another thing - no tips until secondary school age. Then if you have a good teacher the class as a whole might get some instruction - but no individual because of large class sizes and the tendency of everyone to use art as a way to muck about. There is also little room for development even in afterschool art club (basically used as babysitting rather than instruction). I learnt a little from art class, but most from self teaching. I joined a creative writing club as well - but again, no guidance. Everything we wrote was 'brilliant' which is annoying because that is terrible feedback.
  • Feb 24 2013: Not being able to learn the way that works best for them. I've always wanted to learn in a different way than schools that are recognized by the education system teach.

    Also knowing that we are gifted makes us cocky and also makes us think we're somewhat omnipresent.
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      Feb 25 2013: Good point. Somehow the problem MAY HAVE BEEN rooting from the GTs themselves.
  • Feb 23 2013: In my opinion, one of the biggest challenges is communicating so that others thoroughly understand what one is trying to relay. Often times, even when the explanation is detailed, it is questionable as to whether the other party understand what is being relayed. A good frame of reference when speaking is simply what one may take for granted as common knowledge is not common. This communication issue is the nexus to all other problems or issues- validation, etc.
  • Feb 22 2013: If you are gifted and creative, you should have something to offer, to have the chance to offer the product of your creativity, you need to be recognized, to be recognized, you need others to do that for you. that is the problem you will face, because they judge you according to their standards which may be stupid and non scene by your standards.
  • Feb 22 2013: The number one problem I have encountered is that there is no new and differentiated conventional wisdom for the Information Technology Revolution or Digital Revolution and those who sign checks are often still totally ensconced in Industrial Age thinking. What good is it to think outside the box and create outside the box and even create to change the box if you need funding from those who think they already know everything when indeed they know very little?

    Lots of people have bought into the Internet web/modality as the defacto destination of the Digital age. It is not. It is a primitive cacophony of rationales most of which perpetuate self-imposed limitations which freedom from linearity and the printed page make obsolete. The Digital Revolution is a revolution in reverse where office holders and even power holders in the household like parents don't understand the true power of emerging technologies and judge educational and human development imperatives by views established in their parents times and before them. It should not be a main objective to create a mere "grade-getter" when indeed technology exists to allow us to design in social development models which unveil and help us address the myriad of motivational issues which decide whether a young person actually connects with what he or she learns and becomes personally interested in managing their own picture of relevance. There is a great defeatist attitude in many quarters that assume right away that there is no market, it's too hard, it's too esoteric, blah, blah and more blah. Like an automobile had to exist before anyone would build roads for it, someone has to throw some major money into creating the new model that replaces the factory model of education with idealism at every turn. And devil be damned about tradition. This is about the future of the world--not the past.
    • Feb 23 2013: I can hear your frustration!
      Alas, the predicament you articulate is an age old one. The purse strings that would enable are tightly griped by the reactionary and traditional sectors. It has ever been thus. Artists were never free, but had to please their sponsors, and so accept their paradigms.
      But I actually think it is slightly better now than it used to be, from the point of view of how communication is now possible in ways undreamed of previously. and the connections that could be made. there is room for hope. Even just TED is a good thing, and can grow.
      The human mind has a marvellous facility for finding resolution. We are inventive beings. Sometimes it takes a seemingly inordinate amount of time before the problems-that-we-need-resolution-to are realized (as in education). But they will be, because the old ways won't be effective any more, and old buildings crumble under their own weight. The thing is for the forward thinkers with vision to be ready with plans.
      • Feb 23 2013: The biggest stumbling block is over-coming the "belief" that people won't pay--that they need to be given "free stuff" paid for by advertisers. That to me has been the worst perversion of the Internet--the chance to finally create economies of pure value which exclude the myriad compromises that come with commercial sponsoring only to have a mad dash to drag commercialism into a new medium where it does not belong in the same way it managed to underpin television. And this history of offering free but limited and compromised "stuff" on the net has created somewhat of a defacto welfare state where people don't get that this is actually undermining the very value system upon which our world has come this far. So in effect you have to challenge capital sources to break from this patter on faith that you have something of such merit that people will see that they HAVE TO HAVE IT. Then you have to execute and sustain the product until it proves and the word gets around that whatever else they do, they have to find the resources to get this new technological masterwork. Years ago people paid $5K for a computer and $599 fr a word processor program. But the trend has long been to pay as little as possible and get as much for nothing. Leading a value renaissance takes big money and a multi-year plan and older conventional wisdom doesn't like that in America. Venture capitalists want you to have a market ready to fill, not create one that may take more than half a decade of expense to start showing that all the investment was worth it and more. I'm sure that it will be but then the wall is hit that I am nobody even though I can show that no one else has been in the places at the times I've been to put such a comprehensive change engine sustainably into place. It's maddening knowing you know that we are primitive and you have the plans for the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey. The apes don't know what to make of it.
        • Feb 23 2013: I know. As an original artist/writer/musician penniless for most of my life (and no time to chase money if I want to do my true work)you may imagine how I feel about people not comprehending the value and meaning of copyright.
          I do think the grip of this trend is worse in USA rather than England (where I am), though also the English have a habit of giving their inventions away!

          We need a renaissance in values - paying for what is valuable - and knowing why we value things... and also perhaps a resurrection of the word and concept of 'virtue'. If virtue were rewarded......
          I don't know what the answer is except to hold to what one truly believes, (because one knows why one believes it), and to set little tiny balls rolling, just in case they snowball. all the best.
      • Feb 23 2013: The catch phrase for my concept is "using virtual reality deliver a reality of virtue". We have something in common, I'd say.
      • Mar 4 2013: Reine de violettes, thanks for your endorsement. I am in Canada and perhaps the Empire has managed to stay ahead of the tidal wave of corporate management so far. The system in Ontario, where I am , is generally recognized as superior but we still lag behind the Finns. They have largely eliminated competitive academics, I understand, to create schools without failure. Students excelled when the treat of failure was removed. For more on schools without failure, reference William Glasser, a proponent of Reality Therapy. He has several good books in print, including "Schools Without Failure". He focuses on co-operative and team learning which removes the idea of there being winners and losers.
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      Feb 23 2013: I guess this all boils down to the "convenience" that some teachers get when they teach using the traditional way. It's not that I am against it but I think it is pretty limited and teacher-centered. It's like we're holding the necks of these children so that they'd give out the answers we want.

      Some teachers tend to be "offended" when the students think differently or when they ask questions. Is it time that we have a new breed of educators then? What do you think?
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        Feb 23 2013: This may differ widely in different countries. I cannot remember seeing teachers offended at the asking of questions, and I have observed and taken classes from many, many teachers.

        At least in schools where I have visited or learned myself, this would be most uncommon. Here that would be a caricature very detached from reality.
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          Feb 23 2013: Oh, is it right? Well I guess that's more of an Eastern culture when an elder say something, it seems like a fact already... It is quite unusual if you correct elders here
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        Feb 23 2013: My mother did not like to be contradicted either, and she was European:). But the classroom dynamic around here is almost always welcoming of questions that are asked respectfully. And kids are encouraged to put forward different points of view.

        The atmosphere may have been different in some schools fifty or more years ago, as I know people remember intolerant teachers from their youth and from that limited experience assume that was, or is, a universal trait of schools and teachers. This also may have been very different in parochial schools than in, say, urban public schools. When I was young parachial schools were known for a sfrictness of manner, but I have no personal experience with those then or now.
  • Feb 22 2013: Well, well. How you handle the illusions reveals one part of the challenge. Do you really care about giving ? Can you handle your truth, without sacrificing your soul for the extrinsic ? Dealing with love and pain like a wave on the sea.They are the sea of life.Let's swim out to the moon.
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      Feb 23 2013: Hi Joe, I can see you are gifted with words. I hope you wouldn't mind if I quote you for my presentation about giftedness? :) Thanks! I really believe that words can be so profound and beautiful.
  • Feb 21 2013: Trusting themselves.
  • Feb 21 2013: Maybe it is as simple as waiting for those not as gifted to catch up? Just because the lights are on it does not necessarily mean someone is home.
    • Feb 21 2013: 'Just because the lights are on it does not necessarily mean someone is home'

      I'm not sure if this is what you mean but it made me think... just because someone is constantly creating does not make them creative, learning to allow creation to happen and not to become addicted to it in process is the biggest challenge artists face.
      • Feb 22 2013: My comments in regards to 'Just because the lights are on it does not necessarily mean someone is home' is how I imagine creativity is. I think its a natural process innate in all of us but like most of us we either don't know how to express it or don't recognise it as creativity. How often Ive stood and been stopped in my tracks by a piece of music & left in awe of its creation.
        Im not sure how Id quantify creativity. What seems like a odd idea today often becomes the reality of tomorrow. I think the challenge creative people face is accepting their creativity. How many artists are not appreciated until they're dead? Its not a even playing field when it comes to creativity hence not being able to quantify. In a world where people like to know how we 'fit' or 'slot' compared to the rest of the world or peers it must be frustrating.
    • Feb 22 2013: with quite a lot of experience as a high school teacher i can tell you that's a bad idea. stronger students get distracted while waiting for others, and there's no guarantee the others will ever reach their level. i don't mean that some students are better than others, i mean that students are better at different things. in my experience it's pretty hard to find a student who doesn't find something or other easier than others do, and when i do it's usually just someone who doesn't make enough effort - they won't rather than they can't.
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      Feb 23 2013: OR even if they don't really want to wait for them, it's the norm that "requires" them to wait... and if they don't they appear evil... hay poor people
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      Feb 23 2013: I love what you said Mark, " waiting for those not as gifted to catch up " is the biggest mistake society makes......in which by holding back and suppressing the creative productivity of gifted individuals, they cheat the world ( themselves) out of these most valuable contributions.
  • Feb 21 2013: when you think of something new it inherently involves change, and as we live in a society that means others will also have to change. not having the same experiences as you of course others will be resistant to that change and sometimes this is deservedly so. often enough a perfectly great idea will require so much in implementation that it cancels out the benefit of making the improvement.

    you've also got the dunning-kruger effect, whereby people who aren't at all gifted or creative have come to the completely unsupported conclusion that they're brilliant and it's everyone else who is stupid. sometimes the boss is refusing your idea because he doesn't have the capacity to realize its potential, and sometimes he's doing it because you don't have the capacity to realise how bad it is!

    interestingly in my experience it's this effect that creates a dual problem. creative thinkers don't think they're all that special because they've considered the vast amount that they don't know, which tells them they're not so special, while people who do think they're creative only do so because they don't have the self-analytical ability to realise that they're not creative, and are apt to instead label true creative types as non-creative.

    in short if you think you're creative you're not, and if you don't think you're creative you probably are, but will be surrounded by people who erroneously think that you're not. quite a pickle!
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      Feb 22 2013: I had not heard until you cited it of the Dunning-Kruger effect, but, of course, I have seen evidence of this common error. Thank you for the reference.
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      Feb 23 2013: Hi Ben! I wish to thank you for metnioning the dunning-kruger effect... I havent heard of it until now... This will be very useful for my research :D Thanks again... please keep posting!
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    Feb 20 2013: Hi Sherriene, Great question!!
    The main challenge is that society has come to have misplaced values........so the contemporary world is set up to miss out immensely on the contributions of the gifted individuals - sadly.
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      Feb 23 2013: HI Juliette! Favor please? :) could you expound more on the problems with misplaced values? I am getting so excited with this topic... thanks alot! :)
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    Feb 20 2013: There are many such challenges.

    One is it has become unpopular in many places in the United States, at least, to provide appropriate education for gifted kids. One author I remember used a good analogy. She wrote that making gifted kids follow the typical educational trajectory in school is like taking a gifted runner to a track and forcing him to run by placing his feet in pre-marked footprints. They cannot run that way.

    Many school districts are focused almost entirely on the disparity in performance among students at a school, even blaming gifted kids for it, rather than trying to differentiate curriculum to allow students to grow at the rate and in the style appropriate for them.

    Gifted kids have somewhat different social and emotional needs as well and can feel stranded if they are not in a school with like-minded children. There are resources colleges often offer to bring these kids together in summer and in after hours programs to create both such contact and appropriate instruction. If you want some links to some of these resources, I can direct you to the best ones. Large school districts often have gifted and talented tracks as well or GT magnet schools.

    Later in life gifted people may have challenges in interacting with others, depending on how far out in the tail they are and how good their communication skills are. Some struggle with impatience with the lack of rigor of thought or the superficiality or oversimplification of thought around them, perhaps in the workplace or in a social setting. Many likely keep these frustrations to themselves, but they exist.

    Gifted and highly creative people often benefit from being in regular contact with people who naturally operate on their wavelength.

    Specifically in the workplace, many are extremely under-employed in terms of being challenged by the opportunities they are give. Further, the workplace will often give greater opportunities to those whose talents are more social than intellectual or creati
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      Feb 23 2013: It's like a domino effect.. when we solve the differentiated instruction part, we'll have trouble about finding schools and mentors... and when we solve that part, we'll have problems with the funds... hay...
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        Feb 23 2013: Actually, there are well understood best practices for teaching gifted kids at a variety of ages. There is even something called gifted certification that some teachers earn with their teaching credentials that verifies their training in this area.

        Many schools have such programs, or have had them. It doesn't cost more. In fact, the district where I worked allocated less money for gifted kids than for kids with greater learning challenges.

        What it takes is only a willingness to let kids grow at a pace that is natural for them and having these kids taught by teachers with such a pedagogical specialty rather than to force everyone to move at the same pace. It takes only the will to allow it.
    • Mar 5 2013: Absolutely, I agree with Fritzie (and all the research!) on all three counts, regardless of whether you are in America or Australia. Is it not so in the Phillipines? For example, differentiation has been proven to better assist both gifted students and regular students - see "Visible Learning" (2008) by John Hattie for a super-massive synthesis of the meta-analyses relating to learning and achievement.

      Er, Sherrlene, you might mean a "Catch-22" rather than a domino effect.
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        Mar 5 2013: Thanks for adding your voice. I do think that curriculum is different in different countries and also that droves of people believe they know more about what is going on in schools than they really do.

        People cling to false beliefs about modern schools with a strange tenacity.
        • Mar 5 2013: People cling to schools with a strange tenacity. I thought Grace Greene was pursuing interesting lines of thought when she was challenging traditional school models, but I further wonder if school buildings will one day become unnecessary as the advantages offered by new and developing technologies are realised. Imagine if this community here could be fully virtually realised? I could give you a pat and throw a ball for you, rather than simply discuss pedagogy through text :)
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        Mar 5 2013: The future will be in hybrid models, I think.
  • Feb 19 2013: I think one of the biggest challenges of the gifted is to accept other people's gifts. Pride, in a word. Viewing yourself as gifted and therefore better than others will ruin your life for sure.
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    Feb 19 2013: A lot of creative and gifted people do derail from the pursuit of excellence and opt for the money and fame. Sometimes they go to the extent of doing away with ethics.

    Creative and gifted people are also often misunderstood, because their thoughts are hardly shallow or common. Then, another challenge as Gail has wisely pointed out, is the competition between the truly creative and the fools who happen to have a good branding and just enough noise to get all the needed attention.
  • Feb 19 2013: Even though I'm not comfortable putting myself in that 'gifted' category (man do I sound like a douche already), Here is my 'challenge'.Simply put; not carrying enough to put my stuff out there. I do what I do because I'm passionate about it and nothing else. One would think you'd be relentlessly calling math professors all over the country If you think you have solved some age old math question. Not this guy. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one out there.

    [ p.s. so after three years of sleeping on few functions, I have finally made a resolution to get my act together and find the energy to reach out to few professors and learn how to go about properly publishing Math journals.]
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    Feb 18 2013: The US Dept of Ed. has as its mission statement that it exists to prepare students for global competition. Think for a moment what it does NOT stand fo. Then consider what that means that it DOES stand for. Compare the 2, and you will have a large part of the answer that you seek.

    The gifted face a challenge that even most teachers cannot address. That is that they see more in the world than they are allowed to talk about. They see connections (relationships and patterns) that most do not see, and are criticized for wanting to explore those connections that are outside of the curriculum. They are taught "packets" of information and then told to hold on to those packets for a decade or so before anyone BEGINS to address them - but they are NEVER addressed.

    How can a teacher, who is not self-aware, recognize what "self-awareness" means? Even on this site, I have seen a teacher belittle (unintentionally) the struggles of the gifted, blaming the gifted for not having the self-discipline required to stay the course. How can a teacher address the issues that the gifted want to understand if 1) they don't see the connections, AND 2) the connections aren't on the required curriculum?

    Then add the lies. Take American history, for example. It is nothing but a fabrication, provable with documentation. But it's taught without the documentation. So when a student is asked to solve some of the nation's problems, the student works with pieces of another puzzle where the pieces don't fit. This demeans and belittles the student - who "feels" it strongly.

    The gifted are aware of an internal world that no one else recognizes, and because children speak of it, are not believed. The gifted march to a different drummer, but only a few recognize their rhythms and sounds. They are forced to shut off their minds or live in painful isolation.

    The biggest problem I had? Staying alert often enough to be aware of when I should start paying attention again. Wasted MY time
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      Feb 21 2013: I acknowledge how brave and honest your answer is :) Thank you very much for this reply! I learned a lot! :)
  • Mar 17 2013: I think it literally goes to down to finding, like spirits... we are all coherent to ours only some choose in a sense to unpurposely veil there creativity,

    something i seen two days ago,
    Is it popular?
    Is it current?
    is it etc, etc, etc

    to is it right?

    forgetting; is it you? to be creative is to be self, with an essence of permanent yet fleeting ideals in character, to see the creativity as "actual creativity" also to see it as; you need to understand wavelenght, via another individual (as this helps to see it as "actual creativity" and not average, all is creativity through the eyes of the autistic, training perception and mindfulness not to subconsiously shrug it off as "unnormal, a fleeting ideal"

    As for involving locality, i'm not sure, northeast england is at a loss, i have searched. (museums, groups, universitys, the only thing that comes close there's some pretty good dancers here, lol)


    I have gone through this discussion, several pages, yet my writing disappears... Therefore, i will try again here....

    the question i have found you ask, is "how do we nurture the creative"

    One educational system, two thoughts streams, do not teach the esoteric, but yet symbolise the difference between left and right brain, coming to a unified level, at whatever consiousness the student can reach. There is no more creative than the creation&essence within,

    The da vinci - academy, as to give it it's proper name,
    3 bridges rightbrain, leftbrain, and a centered field

    bridging to one exam, of illiterate capacity, brain trained and held in the individual (not persona), for them student to keep as a personal record, for themselves only to use how they wish (to quite unlimited potentional)

    Demonstrate: ticky boxes
    Show: they can demonstrate the hidden (ie the hopelessness of attachment to a specific, and rerationalising the rest in coherently to self and outwardly though a sensory medium to other)

    (running out of, i feel the goverment should take credit for it, karm
  • Mar 17 2013: We live in a time of saturation in terms of the produce of gifted, creative individuals. It is my opinion that there is so much great art, music, design, film, philosophy and academia in easy reach right now that as far as making a living goes it's like trying to sell sand in the desert.

    I think that interesting new opportunities now exist in terms of resynthesising, analysing, synergising, remixing the existent field of created things. Ie, it's probably hard right now to make ones way as an artist or creator, but I think there are many opportunities for organising and creating knowledge about art and creation.
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    Mar 17 2013: I always kid around that I am an `Idea Man.` It started as a joke but sometimes, as with many situations, we have to make something from nothing. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. The biggest obstace I usually encounter is getting others to listen. One thing i usually tell people is to think in 3D. So that is what leave you with, do not be afraid to try and make something from nothing and...

    Think in 3D.
  • Mar 16 2013: 2 Thumbs up for u Ms Uy 4 the questioning and request for answer's to your Q!
    I see a lot of my answer are incl by others and especially that from Marc which hits home for me.
  • Mar 16 2013: Tuan Le, business and gov's don't want smart people, they want people that they can easily control and do what they want, without question. There is a saying and it goes like this, "It's not what you know, but rather who you know.
  • Mar 16 2013: I have been fortunate enough to be able to attend 2 different high schools in 2 different countries, and I found a staggering contrast between the mentality behind the education system of these schools. In the school I attended in Australia, students that were "gifted and talented" had the possibility of taking part in various extra-curricular activities or enriched courses, even during school hours. Also, there was an extensive choice of elective courses available for all students. In contrast, the schools in Quebec in general tend to have a more standardized education system, so all students go pretty much through the same educational path. There are no real possibilities for extensive or enriched learning and creativity within school hours, and even outside of school hours extracurricular activities are limited.
    Therefore, the former educational system allows for the gifted to use and develop their potential, whereas the latter I daresay almost inhibits this. The talented students can easily get bored in regular classes, as they don't need to pay attention or put in that much effort while still getting good grades. This can gradually turn into laziness for some, a habit which can be hard to get out of when reaching higher education (university and so on) where one does need to put the effort in.
  • Mar 16 2013: Wow and here I thought I was alone in my thoughts. A pleasure to make your acquaintance Simon.
    The corporations bribing congress have made it so that they can change any patent by a small percent and steal the working mans chances to get ahead. The schools dumb down the kids and the stock market is another huge set of taxes on all that are not investors or insider traders.
  • Mar 16 2013: Schools refuse to teach children how to think for themselves. The gov schools want people that are cubicle smart, but they want the population to follow authority, so that those with money and power, can retain the money and power. People could be many times smarter, if the gov didn't purposely dumb them down.

    How could a scientist be so ignorant?



    Lenski's antibiotic claim.

    Original work
    By Jim Ryan
    Supported by evidence

    Lenski and or lederberg should have had the sense to reverse the experiment, to show that when 10 million antibiotic resistant bacteria were cultured, they produced one that was non antibiotic resistant. One or both should have cultured 10 million bacteria that were non resistant, to see if an antibiotic resistant bacteria developed.
    Bacteria may develop both every 10 millionth one as a memory device. If so, that should tell science quite a lot.

    I have a lot more that proves even the people controlling science are dumbing down the populations of all nations.
  • Mar 16 2013: As a high School student, I believe that being gifted and creative might not equal to academic success. I am considered bright and creative by many but I really struggle to perform up to my expectation. There are few choices in syllabus which also emphasized a lot on repetitive practices and regurgitation of theory. This exam-oriented asian mentality sucks the interest out of studying and I find myself really disenchanted with the system in the end.
  • Mar 16 2013: Humility and courage. The former is lost when these children are identified as gifted early on, and then put in situations where their self-esteem is closely protected; The latter is lost when these kids grow up following their heads rather than their hearts - choosing careers over vocations (i.e., 'their calling').
  • Mar 15 2013: I believe that gifted and talented individuals are held back by todays financial hardships.

    The increase in the price of living and education has a negative impact on the possibilities these individuals may choose in their pathway to happiness and success ,whatever that may be defined as.

    It seems a struggle if you are not financially supported to really take the opportunity to make the most of their creativity and talents.
    • Mar 16 2013: agreed..
      countries like India are starting to help their citizens with the cost of tuition, while in Mexico no bank will help you.

      in others like USA this assistance is old news, yet at the gross price of tuition that they are charging each person, the student ends up in huge financial debts

      that's a nightmare!
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    Mar 15 2013: 1: Being different at school..top of the class...envy, even hatred.

    2: Underfunded education whereby there is no possibility of extended learning

    3: Inadequate teachers who dislike curiosity

    4: Societies run by average intellects and bullies

    5: Inadequate parameters for creativity (this overlaps into funding for sciences and its corporatisation).

    6: Acknowledgement that gifted and creative individuals are often somewhat different from the mainstream and should be nurtured rather than ostracised by all but their own kind

    7: Problems finding a partner, relationships in general.

    8: Substance abuse

    9: Boredom

    10: Depression and inertia

    11: The wonderful effect of understanding new truths and illumination

    12: The almost overwhelming curiosity about everything and how it works

    13: The wonderful exploratory communication between like minds
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    Mar 15 2013: TAG students are often the target of bullying, since they represent everything that some people will never be.
    • Mar 17 2013: That's a very modest, yet very powerful statement. You have great spirit, is there any chance you'd like a penfriend, your inspiration in writing. Very curious to your cultural background, can't even pinpoint you, leeds? northeast london? or even budapest, ... lol, there's gifts and there's the gifted, your certainly gifted.
  • Mar 15 2013: A big challenge is to be in a degree that allows invention of goods like industrial design and have your inventions stolen by the professors and classmates.
    Another big challenge is to be able to find the industry/factory that is up to the task of making your inventions, without it trying to take all the profits, and or steal the invention.

    another one is to live in a way where for you there are no "limits or borders", while others keep blocking your chances just because they fill like doing so.

    Another one is to want to work with NASA and have NASA stop your dreams because they only work with corporations GGGG
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    Mar 14 2013: hello...
    its true that centralization is a major issue...but all opportunities cannot b provided everywhere at once...
    so there should be a balanced development of resources so that the students who feel that they are not getting the opportunity, should get the resources that are essentially needed...
    and also we should focus on developing areas that lack opportunities..this would help to find out more hidden talent...
    what do u say?
  • Mar 13 2013: I encounter that quite a bit from different quarters Sherrlene. That is a very good analogy.

    Trying to even get the idea that there is another possibility across, seems futile. Much less the actual substance of those possibilities.
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      Mar 14 2013: Hi Bill! Sent you a message ;) Hope to hear from you soon! Thanks again!
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    Mar 13 2013: Hi everyone! Sorry it took me a little while to get back ^^
    Thank you so much for all your inputs! I shall be reading them one at a time now :D
  • Mar 11 2013: From reading some of these posts
    I would guess the biggest hurdle is fairly widespread in all countries and cultures.
    That hurdle is that those who think or seem to be free, (not in prison), are in fact highly
    institutionalized (brainwashed) by their respective societies, institutions, agencies (and parents), just as those who spend a fair amount of time locked up, are, or become.

    Breaking out of that or breaking free of it, is no less than one breaking out of prison.

    Look at what you believe in. Do you trust it? If yes, then just go forward trusting the answers will come
    when you need them and know that you may not recognize them when they do.

    This also means "breaking out" is breaking out of your own personal prison you have built around yourself.
    We all have done this. We all have been seriously brainwashed for decades, depending of course on how old each of us is.

    We each have a point in our beliefs, the furthest edge of our ground, in which we say, "I won't go pass that."
    All old beliefs have to go. To do so is to abandon oneself to what one "thinks" they believe in, to trust it, not worry about it, and just go "do it".

    Soon, one will find that their feet have somehow found themselves on the path. How did they get there? They may not know other than they just put one foot in front of the other and trusted their ability to walk and find their way.

    One's feet may know the way better, clearer and sooner than the person may.

    Of course, if one already knows, they can determine to some degree the obstacles they will face and can next put together plans to overcome them and to evaluate how they will respond and feel and think and so on, in and for, situations they have never encountered before.
    That is why I ask, "what do you believe in?" If you really know it, then you really have nothing to fear.
    You don't know the "OUT-come" but you will "COME-out" the other side.

    And always of course, do.....no.....intentional.....harm, unless absolutely necessary.
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      Mar 11 2013: Very interesting. Can you summarize this?
      • Mar 12 2013: Do you really know what it is you (anyone) believe in?
    • Mar 12 2013: Foucault theorized that there are three major institutions: prisons to house individuals who are criminally unnacceptable to society; asylums to house individuals who are mentally unacceptable to society; and schools to house individuals who are chronologically and intellectually unacceptable to society. Prisons, asylums and schools: he certainly didn't have a high opinion of the the social control of students!
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    Mar 11 2013: Hi Sherrlene Mabuhay!

    Are you looking for challenges or blocks that individuals face?
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      Mar 13 2013: Hi John! Kumusta? (How are you?) ^^
      Yes, I am in total search for that :) I hope the Ted community will be very generous to share your thoughts :)
  • Mar 8 2013: As the parent of a gifted child we quickly found schools are meant to meet the needs of the many rather than engage at appropriate levles. Our son had mastered square roots by the age 4, and despite the testing done by the school to confirm what we already knew, his options were few. My favorite teacher quotes while he was in a traditional school "Gifted kids will always be fine, they are smart and do not require as much attention." and "Your son's handwriting is sloppy, if it doesn't improve I am afraid he is begining to fall behind his classmates." The other down side as a parent is that you learn that it is not a topic you discuss to freely with other parents. Most people instantly make comparisons with their own children and seem to take it as a personal slight.

    Rather than continue to deal with the inability of the teachers to let him work at his level, stretch his mind and manage the complaints that our bored child was disrupting the classroom, we asked to move him to an alternative school we are fortunate enough to have in our schoold district. The Lighthouse Program located within our local high school is geared toward the highly able learner ages K-12 and has few boundaries. The students determine their day, when and what they study and how quickly they move ahead. Math, foriegn language, literature, writing, history, art and physical activity are all required, but for the most part the student chooses what they will learn about. The instructors are merely there to guide them through their own discovery process. Creativity, self-reliance, self-motivation, team building and leadership are the foundation. They are encouraged to seek out experts in a field and alternative resources rather than just books. So far this year out 10 year old son has interviewed surgeons, sports trainers, eastern medicine practioners and recently filmed part of his latest project at the Hoover Dam. He is in high school math, LOVES school and has like minds around him.
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      Mar 13 2013: How is it like to be a parent of a gifted child?
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        Mar 13 2013: Parents of any child try to make sure that they have access to the resources that can benefit their children and also to deal with the child's social and emotional needs. These needs and issues can be different for different kids and have been studied extensively, so parents of gifted children have resources on which to draw- books, articles, support communities, and often specialists within school districts. There is increasing information available also about what is called 'twice exceptional." That is, there are children who are both gifted and have "special needs" in the usual sense of that term.

        In some settings gifted children are bullied more than other children, which requires vigilance and action from parents,and sometimes gifted children can feel isolated, even in programs for gifted children. In some settings people of any age like to put gifted children "in their place," even when the child is not arrogant. There are often assumptions that to be gifted is to be arrogant, which is not true. There is also an unfortunate tendency in some settings to resent gifted kids, effectively blaming them for gaps in performance of one kind of another among children at school. For this reason, some parents choose to keep their children's accomplishments to themselves and encourage their kids to do the same.

        I have three highly gifted children and no others, so I cannot easily from parenting experience make the comparison between parenting a gifted child and a child who is not considered academically gifted . I have known people, though, who have children some of whom are identified as highly gifted and some not, in which case they have issues to consider sometimes of not wanting an unhealthy dynamic among the kids that interferes with the happiness or well-being of either child.
  • Mar 8 2013: Thank you for this opportunity to sound off that occurs so rarely.

    Even in cyberspace, I was playing an online type game and moving very quickly thru its levels when I was interrupted and told, since I was doing well, they were making the game more difficult.
    I recall this as a technique invoked by authority and it is NOT very rewarding...for me? a slap down
  • Mar 8 2013: Athletic ability being more prized then mental ability even though we don't hunt for food anymore. Generous sports scholarships and dismal academic scholarships. The sense that society doesn't appreciate us even though we do the most for them.
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    Mar 8 2013: Everyone are gifted and creative in nature. It all depends on how others are motivating. Every creative innovation has a loop hole which is known to individuals who misuse it. Here you have to admit both are gifted and creative.

    Above all, most of the gifted and creative individuals work under a corporate office and spend time with family etc....
  • Mar 7 2013: Sorry, I mean: try to go to -> http://www.programpsikotes.com/soal-psikotes.php
  • Mar 6 2013: If truly "Gifted"

    they wont have any "challanges" their creativity would eliminate them
    • Mar 6 2013: you mean they wouldn't see them as 'challenges' but interesting situations, or opportunities?
      • Mar 7 2013: I doubt that that was the meaning of his words, its more like he is over simplifying the matter, as in denying its connotations, and turning intelligence in a thing that does not face obstacles... lame.
        • Mar 7 2013: ...rather along the lines of ' people who get anxious are neurotic ' school of 'thought'?

          when actually getting anxious about something is often a well needed warning sign, and can motivate one to construct an imaginative solution...
    • Mar 8 2013: No time left but, fyi: SENG is a group all about gifted/education etc. Has great perma links especially note those about "asynchronous development" about those not gifted in every discipline and becoming competent over time but unevenly.
      I had a student in my "open curriculum" classroom for 3 years. In first grade, he mastered math (by3 grade levels) In second, he taught himself to play the piano (yes, in class, we all heard him and the honesty of his efforts made the sounds another part of the musical hum of kids busy learning at their own rate.) In 3rd, he learned to read, past mastery.
      (I won't say it wasn't nerve wracking to trust his process until 3rd grade!)
  • Mar 6 2013: hum What are the challenges that gifted and creative individuals face at present?
    I want to presume that most of them experience the same challenges as those ho are not so "gifted", a main one would be to have to deal with the inconvenience of intermediaries, as in the bureaucratic system that happens to be overwhelmed by people ho don't act, nor lets others act, they just randomly block hum ever they want to.

    there is the strong need of automated costumer service, world wide, so to protect peoples rights, as many act as if this rights were optional, and or were rights that only applied and protected them and only them.

    the health care system is also critical, as people fall ill cognition can be decimated by "common illness" many institutions as the ones of neurology do not research much and don't know about the latest cures applied abroad

    many of those institutions wont even bother contacting other institution that already has a cure

    people are being neglected systematically by the very institution that was created to cure them

    the state knows this and does little to fix the problem.

    another challenge is the lack of good advisers, due to this people end up in poor careers with 90% chances of unemployment.
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    Mar 6 2013: Send a mail describing your case to help@inventorsworkshop.info
  • Mar 5 2013: Hmmm. Perhaps the WISC (Wechsler Intelligence ) has updated...it's been a while since I've used it. But, results from the subtests were/are scored under two headings: one was for gen'l knowledge (attacked for culture bias) and the other, "Performance," the non-verbal subtests were considered to measure "right brain" abilities altho' I am not aware that the scientific substantiation of the distinction had been made, at the time. (I didn't use it in my reports that interpreted the scores)
  • Mar 4 2013: Dear Ms. Sherriene,
    Most of the gifted and creative people aren't thankful for what they have and greed takes over them. They are hungry for more and never stop asking. Where as, the people who aren't so gifted are satisfied with whatever they have. The best example is people who are gifted.
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    Mar 4 2013: Don't know if I am gifted, I like being creative;

    The challenge I am facing is to actually prioritise my work. It is amazing how much of your time, trivial things, can absorb!
  • Mar 4 2013: Some people like myself don't reach intellectual potential until after school. Any support and opportunities I may have had through the school system leading into universities have been missed. Now I'm not saying I'm a gifted individual as such... I know full well that there are much smarter people out there.. But I do have a creative side. In my dead end job, I often come up with ways to improve green energy. I have one idea for a water battery I've been refining in my head for years. Where does one such as myself go with ideas? Perhaps my idea is flawed... But surely amoungst all of us amateur engineers/scientists/inventors are some genuinely great ideas that are being wasted.

    I have no idea where to turn to with my ideas, or how to change my career to suit my passions. Who will listen & give me a chance? If these are my frustrations than chances are I'm not alone. Perhaps some investors out there should set up sites, with small teams to take in these ideas & sort out those with real potential?
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      Mar 4 2013: Get the patent and send a video to TED
      • Mar 4 2013: Sure, can you loan me $20,000 for the patent & perhaps more for the prototype? ;)
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    Mar 3 2013: Well what about a web site that provides ideas for sale or group investment that are then supported on all subjects of the implementation with a plan of action detailed with exact proven tactics ..

    Of coarse allowing others to record their ideas and get paid and also support the investor or group long term at a chosen level agreed upon rom time of acquisition of x business idea or invention etc

    Record An idea invention etc explaining enough to gain interest then if invested in or purchase, you own an interest of 10% or if supported by seller you retain 20% for consultation.

    ideArena.biz There's a name even and I have 32 new ideas to add that I can support I wondering anybody else holds similar visions or new market ideas they know exactly how to implement further her more know that it will work ...

    And not a jogging app these would be change the world visions probe the iPhone help Facebook Google Idea that are too big to most is exactly what is posted an app for shopping at the mall won't make the cut ... Entries monitored not like www.kickstarter.com wherein can make sheriff up get paid & basically steal ... These would have to change the world in some way or help people I a big way ...

    Thank you id like your thoughts on this or if you think others would add ideas for sale or investment being connected to or not at all ...

    "Time & Tide wait for NO man" -mj2013

    I may also be contacted @:
    www.facebook.com/michaeljelacic
    or view profile at www.Linkedin/in/michaeljelacic for reference

    Thank you & don't forget to Rock n Roll!!
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    Mar 3 2013: Start up .. We do not do clerical organizational or any small seemingly insignificant tasks although most times these small simple things are exactly what is needed to let people know or to have them understand that you have ideas and plans that will change the world .

    Steve Jobs called B. Hewlett at age 12 explaining how he wanted to build frequencies counters ... HP gave Jim a job that summer so Presently, since he had a startup for his talent so to speak from a favor from the right person that didn't cost a thing, Steve Jobs changed the world in a big way. He had vision as it were and saw things that others could not see . He knew they would need these things he knew it would change the world and help people ..

    I'd like to help Facebook not with the advertising area but with the need for providing real world tools needed to give Facebook guaranteed long term success and to gain investor support fully. To crest brand awareness from early stages in life and to provide its users with tools they can use in their everyday lifestyles . Not only is this needed the different parties have been requesting this far ok seems to be disregarding or adding thing "good enough " not satisfying nor gaining any news as innovators but as privacy thieves that don't give back .. Google gives Facebook takes they give ads Taylor's to things you like and a free social network . Wow!

    Everyone is already in the platform time to gibe them tools needed for success and progression to make progress towards economic stability.. give people what they need like

    • law enforcement who needs data on facebook has searchable simply or people at work that statistically use Facebook during work for 90 minutes if they want to be in it give them tools rondo their jobs ..

    •Education is a big one tablets will replace books notifications should replace the radio for snow-day info or video chat gimp aren't teacher meeting tools like Office online so all kids have software and tablets or chrome books
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    • Mar 4 2013: In Intelligence testing that divides abilities of the left and right brain, high scores for the right brain are an indicator of school failure. Tragic
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    Mar 3 2013: Its our Society and our fellow
  • Feb 27 2013: Agreed, in my role as a brand strategist it is vital to have others see what you see.

    The greatest challenge is to have a left brian thinker move to the right so as to see. Regardless of the rational delivered in a summary or similar vehicle, if the viewer refuses to alter their point of view your stuffed.

    Most people don't tend to put logic and creativity in the same boat, but as WE know these coexist, because one with out the other is just an dream.

    The "trick" is to 'Paint" a picture that they can relate to that illustrates the summary.
    By paint I mean present, by relate I mean empathise with, and illustrate is demonstrate the logical connections to the creative idea or concept.

    This technique works for me when sharing my ideas.

    I'm not sure if this coincides with your point.
    • Feb 28 2013: I think creative analytics are not as challenging to convey when they are based on data, as such an argument, if well structured, should go across pretty well, because there isn't much subjective judgement involved in evaluating its value. However, I pity those truly gifted individuals who have radically different approaches that their customers might have trouble grasping. So this brings me to identifying a challenge that truly creative people might face.

      If you are "somewhat" creative in your approach but can still remain relatable based on what people are used to seeing, you are much better off than those who are "too original", whose value is much harder to evaluate, because it falls in the subjective realm. The brightest analyst can spend his life in misery because few people understand what he's talking about. I've met such a character before, and it's just such a waste, because the world wasn't ready to receive his message, though incredibly smart.

      The world has many standards and conventions, expectations and habits, and those who are "too" creative are facing a very tough crowd to convince. Something like a preacher in the desert. You are allowed to tweak, but not to reinvent everything. In terms of brain power, it looks like its very lonely at the top.
  • Feb 27 2013: Hi JS, thanks for the heads up.

    Regardless of the source the truth remains.

    And what of your story?
    • Feb 27 2013: Hi Michael J,

      I was just thinking about Sherrlene's research and fixed the source "for the record".

      When I was young, my mind was boiling with project ideas and I had a tendency to move on to the next "better" thing without finalizing the current work. It took me a couple of years to learn to pick ONE project, and to see it through to the end, before starting to daydream about the next one. So while "creativity unleashed" sounds good, I think it's more productive when on a leash. So we're pretty much on the same page: "marshall your mind, focus on the subject"...
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    Feb 24 2013: Channels ! Systems ! Positions ! Relations !
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      Feb 25 2013: Sweet and straight! I believe so too! Thanks
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    Feb 24 2013: I had this theory for almost 13 long years and this is the challenge I face...
    http://www.ted.com/conversations/16641/is_fundamental_theory_of_exis.html
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    Feb 24 2013: The obvious response is to say we are all gifted and creative.
    The challenge is to find and engage children's gift and creativity. So I write this as a parent and someone who is also fascinated in "how people develop".
    My son is an amazing surfer. he is intuitive. He lives in the ocean and is constantly in nature. he works life out on his own, he has incredible intention and it is wonderful to see him develop.
    I think - as parents and teachers we need to work with individuals (and not a class). The challenge is to see the true nature of people and individuals. My son went to the waldorf school. They value creativity, imagination and self discovery. They do not value compliance. I think it is vital for creatives and talented individuals to have platforms to express their talents. Whether they play the piano during a dinner party or at an event - people must express their talents. The biggest thing in todays busy world - is to not just support a child or person but to really engage them. I see children looking for feedback in many ways. So while they may know - there are moments where it is important that others know their talent, or see their creative work. I think creative confidence is also critical. People need to be confident about their gift, they need to be within a community of people who understand their gift and enjoy it. The key is to enjoy your talent. Enjoyment is not winning a prize or anything like that - it is about the integration of that activity into their being. ie: the activity is not something they do BUT rather something they are. The challenge is understanding the subtle processes of how this happens.

    Nice topic. Good luck. Happy to share more.
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      Feb 25 2013: Waldorf schools use very unique teaching strategies. It is just sad to see that there are still some parents who are not open to this kind of education. Most still rely on the "paper and pen" assessment wherein the ceiling grade is 100 and the failing mark can go low as you imagine it to be.

      Compliance is really tough for some. Like when I started teaching, most of my students would yawn over writing activities. To some extent, there are those who would put their pens down and sleep in front of me. Writing can be dreadful for some. They get irritated when asked to write a 10-sentence paragraph and so when I check, I end up frowning and saying to myself "What the heck is this kid trying to tell me?!".

      So I figured out that, like in Waldorf, you've got to involve them. Kids nowadays arent like in our times wherein we're good at following ALL the teachers' instructions. Today's kids need to be involved and experience. After so much hard work and trial and errors, most of my students now can write 20-pages stories and my 6th graders can interpret profound literatures like The Road Not Taken...

      Time is a good investment in this case. Would you agree?

      Thanks a lot JB :)
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    Feb 24 2013: I've been learning so many things through this forum :) thank you everyone! :) Please keep your comments coming ^^ I am so hooked up at reading your responses.

    Since we've identified some of the challenges our GT individuals have, IS THERE A ONE SHOT SOLUTION THAT WILL CAUSE A DOMINO EFFECT ON THE OTHER PROBLEMS MENTIONED HEREIN?

    OR... WHICH PROBLEM SHOULD WE TROUBLE SHOOT FIRST? I believe we need to start on something to keep us going. What do you think? :)

    ~ Type your thoughts! ^^ Thanks again
    • Mar 5 2013: You might be careful not to assume that the opinions presented in this forum best define or represent the experiences of gifted and creative individuals. Although you have phrased the topic to recognise "challenges", too many of your respondants seem to shrink from the opportunity themselves or for others to be gifted and creative, when in truth gifted and creative individuals relish and can welcome such opportunities. In other words, consider that challenges can be good, and that such individuals enjoy a good challenge! Have you read Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's book "Creativity" (1996)? It draws on nearly a hundred interviews with creative individuals to consider "the way to happiness". Indeed, the "one-shot solution" you seek might be really obvious :)

      Conversely, gifted and creative individuals do not enjoy a bad challenge. and there is a down-side to consider. The case study of "Ian" in Miraca Gross' "Exceptionally Gifted Children" (2004) is particularly unfortunate. The first problem to trouble shoot might be... Hmmm, I think I'll have a coffee :)
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    Feb 24 2013: Sherrlene, First and foremost would be having a instructor that recognizes your talents and abilities. I think that will become even more difficult with the constraints education is facing. In the USA we have federal and state intervention that are extremely taxing the teachers time. We have literally attempted to stuff twenty pounds of learning into a five pound bag. The hoops that teachers have to jump through in the USA are higher and smaller than ever before. The teacher no longer has the luxury of slowing down or giving individual attention during class. In effect they are teaching the test.

    It has become obvious that all but core classes are on the cut line. We have priortized all classes for elimination. A art, music, etc .. prodigy will certainly fall through the crack.

    Some schools have honors classes ... it is sad to say that money is the driving factor and that some will be held back in their efforts because of it.

    In my opinion, we make a freak out of a young super achiever .... We should allow advanced classes within the school framework and allow them to advance socially with their peers. At my college a 14 year old was attending classes and excelling ... he was a fish out of water and had no real friends. We need to revisit our approach on how to address their education.

    Please share what you have learned that would help us.

    I wish you well. Bob.
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      Feb 24 2013: Hi Bob! As a teacher I understand what you said about not having the luxury of time to take things slow and look into each of the students. It's really tough! How many students do you have in each class there in USA? Here, it's something near to a hundred so you can just imagine how stressful it is for the teacher.

      Is it the number of QUALIFIED teachers? What do you think?

      Also, I have read something about a case of bullying that involved a sort of gifted child. How rampant is it in your place?

      Money has always been somewhat a primary pivotal agent in many agents of this society. Isn't that frustrating? You got a gifted child working his butt off but wouldn't get recognized simply because (1) he cannot fit into the norm; and (2) he isn't as rich as his other classmates. Hay.

      Thank you! I wish you well, too!! ^^
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        Feb 24 2013: Teachers here complain if they have 20 - 30 the model would be 14 or less. The term qualified is interesting. Academically they meet the letter of the law. We had a math teacher who could crunch all the numbers but had zero patience with the kids who "did not get it". To me math at all levels has been a light on light off subject. One day you just don't get it amd the next day you can help your buddy. Teachers with a compressed schedule cannot wait for the light to switch on .. and the student is behind or worse lost in the rush. There will always be divisions in schools. Here it is ropers and dopers ... cowboys or dope heads. The one consistant is the nurds. Teachers smile and converse with nurds which kicks them further to the curb with the other groups. Some of the gifted do not understand that by their presence they have offended others not so bright and yes physical encounters occur. Both teachers and gifted contribute to their problems. That sounds cruel. Gifted are seen as pets ... gifted have usually been excluded and have not developed socially and do not understand the rules of the "jungle" and often step over that proverbal line. If this is a defense mechanism or just plain mean on the bullys part I cannot say ... i can say it happens.

        There should be a system in place to accomdate the gifted. Russia did it to an extreme with scholars and athletes for years. In a manner of speaking so did the Japanese with the gifted. In the USA we just declare them freaks and put them on display ...

        Yep the bottom line is money. Honors classes cost ... private schools cost ... the pressure and frustration on the students and teachers is tremendous.

        I can model a ideal plan ... so could any administrator / teacher. What do you elimninate to fund this program.

        Think about the parent who puts the sticker on his car that says; My kid can kick your honor studens butt. Again many problems originate at home.

        Thoughts?????? Bob.
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          Feb 25 2013: So true! It also adds up knowing that there are those who passed and got certificates in teaching BUT lack the appropriate teaching attitude. I have always believed that lessons can be taught by anyone -- but not in the same way. What makes a teacher very effective is his/her ability to channel the lessons to the students without being a monster. There's a difference between learning because of fear to get scolded and learning because the teacher inspires you to read on and study more.

          It is really sad that while some nations invest more on the GTs, other countries, as you've mentioned, put them like display dolls.

          Here, there's a case of a 14 year old gifted painter who does his art by using mud but was not cultivated because they live in the province. He ended up as a root crop farmer instead.

          What a waste! T_T
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    Feb 23 2013: I should mention that everyone has a gifted mind and are creative. Except in some cases of neurological disorders. Everyone who has a well developed brain and neural system is therefore creative. We all have that potential. Now, it's up to us to develop that potential. Some environments are more favorable to the development of creative potential. In some countries, people can't satisfy their basic needs. Therefore, they don't focus on their creative sides. They strive everyday to find food, shelter and security. In these cases, their energy is spent on satisfying basic needs. When you don't practice something, it will not become habitual. Therefore, it will not be a part of your character.
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    Feb 22 2013: Because of their smaller numbers in any given population, I think there might not be enough (organization of) gifted mentors or role models for the young. As well, we largely have school systems designed by unimaginative people who can only think of preparing kids for the Sheep or Shepherd lots in life. Labour or Management. Some exhausting Darwinian pyramid scheme mostly measurable by money or reputation in the end.
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      Feb 23 2013: Yeah I believe so too,,, Most schools nowadays are tailored in such a way that we are still tied up with books and whatever curriculum is given that we're forced to do the rudimentary things.Pretty frustrating right? Thanks Genevieve!
  • Feb 19 2013: I agree with a lot of what's been said. I believe everyone is creative, which is different than having a talent. Creativity is a mode of operating. Talent is a natural affinity for a or many facets of human expression or interaction. I believe that for many, both our talents and creativity are squelched at a young age by "the system". Unless you're lucky enough to have a parent or teacher that allows and encourages you to play. John Cleese talks about being in the open and closed modes of creativity.

    He also discusses the type of people that try to stifle creativity. The CEO of my company is one of those people — a numbers guy who micro manages some of the projects I do. And this is the thing. I believe there's actually something different about his visual perception. He considers himself a photographer, yet when point out a light strike on a photo of a piece of ribbon and the resulting shadow that gives the ribbon dimension, he says he doesn't see it. He then orders me to clone out the highlight because he says it looks like there's not enough ink on the paper. It's digital print job. Whatever. That's the job. That's not real creativity. But I believe micro managers have no confidence in their own ability and project it on others.

    I'm an artist as well as an art director. After 10 years I am showing again and attending shows. This past weekend I was at an opening at the Bleicher-Golightly gallery in Santa Monica. The place was swarming with hipsters and I was appalled at the level of art on the walls with few exceptions. Simone Gad was one of the exceptions and she later told me that another artist yelled in the middle of the opening (while looking at one of Simone's pieces) "Three thousand dollars! I wouldn't pay one!" This woman then proceeded to go off on Simone telling her what a terrible artist she is.

    Apparently this is not unheard of these days...Simone says it's par for the course. It's Orpheus — the archetypal lute player of Greek Mythology. Sad.
  • Feb 19 2013: First, I tend to believe that everyone has his or her own talent. Then, the challenges they must face are how and when do they discover their gifts. Before this, all of them have to accept a kind of formulated education. However, it is a double-edged weapon to foster a child, which, for a normal person, is a the most efficient way to acquire knowledge widely used in the range of common employment and daily life, but it is a disaster for a gifted person to take such a routine class which will ruin one's talent. Thus, one, the sooner find what he or she is adept at, the sooner he or she can have the opportunity to master it.
    Furthermore, the prejudices from the masses are another challenge that creative individuals cannot ignore.In my opinion, this problem will be resolved, if everyone could figure out their talents. At that moment, individuals, no matter what dram they have, would not be regarded as eccentrics.
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    Feb 19 2013: Hi Sherrlene
    Gifted and talented individuals are allowed to pursue their talents, if they are not coming in the way of powerful people in politics and public. But the system does not help these individuals in any organised way, these people have to do every thing on their own. Our medals tally at Olympics is good example , we are 1 billion people and only get very few medals. On the other hand China helps its sport persons in a big organised way , the excellent results are for every one to see. To me this is one major challenge we face.

    So Challenges we face in India are
    Apathy - System do not help such individuals as i mentioned above.
    Corruption - Talent drowns in such atmosphere.
    Nepotism - Talent is not given the priority
    Poverty - If you are poor, you are spending most the time worrying about the food, shelter and clothing. You are not a free person to excell in other fields. And Civilisations are built by free thinkers.

    Be Happy
    Adesh
  • Feb 18 2013: For me its definitely money, the situation and environment i'm in, were because of this things its hard to focus on my real goals. i think one of the big difficulties for creative individual is not being in an environment were they are surrounded by other like themselves to truly giving it 100% on something without to many worries. it cant be lonely to be in a place were your the only person with an specific goal or interest in mind. however i think any creative individual can innovate and conquer any type of challenge with the proper passion for their interest, and smart decision making, there challenges don't really bother me too much, but they do take up space need it to truly follow my passions---Basketball, universal exploring (outer space, travel, science etc), and many more
  • Feb 18 2013: follow this talk through and realize All are "Gifted and Creative"

    http://www.ted.com/talks/young_ha_kim_be_an_artist_right_now.html

    then there are no "challenges" ...Just the .."Just do it."

    http://www.ted.com/talks/young_ha_kim_be_an_artist_right_now.html
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    Feb 18 2013: .

    It is how to quit harmful invalid happiness, which leads humankind to self-extinction.

    Examples of invalid happiness: having junk food, smoking tobacco, drinking alcohol, taking drug, .... being greedy, making too much money, causing inequality, waging wars, making environment crisis, destructing our planet, .... doing human self-extinction.

    Wrong?


    (For INVALID (ineffective) happiness, see the 1st article, points 1-3, 14, at https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=D24D89AE8B1E2E0D&id=D24D89AE8B1E2E0D%21283&sc=documents)
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    Feb 18 2013: I focus my creativity on business, so the biggest challenge for myself and others like me is funding.
    Business property is horrendously expensive and often comes with a locked in multi-year lease, so even if you manage to get initial funding, its not like you can just close things down and start up again if things don't work out in ideas 1 and 2, for example.
    You have to be sure that its going to work AND be financially successful even before you've opened it (which is a nightmare when it comes to new and unusual ideas) and that greatly restricts creativity.
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      Feb 18 2013: Jotted it down, thank you so much Xavier! :) Aside from funding, what do creative people like you struggle on?
  • Feb 17 2013: Probably getting over the criticism of those who do not share their vision.
    This has been my experience.

    Please hit reply Sherrlene, so that I know you are replying....otherwise noone will know you replied to their contribution.

    Mary...
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      Feb 18 2013: Hi Mary! Yeah... I figured that out! I was replying through my email than when I checked it here, it seems like I was talking to no one :) thank you for the heads up! ^^

      I totally agree! How do we solve this? It's been ages since this stereotype has been pestering the gifted minds
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      Feb 18 2013: Mary - my experience as well.
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    Feb 17 2013: Haha! I understand that it is really hard to think about this one. Thanks anyway! ;)
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    Feb 17 2013: I wouldn't know