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After learning a language -Why can't anyone go back and narrate what and how one experienced during the first year?

It will be interesting to explore the reasons that fill the "gap of inability" between the most efficient language learning phase and "culture bound listening phase" as Patricia says . After learning a language what prevents one to go back and bring insights, describe from that efficient learning phase in one's life. Being convinced that these insights / description once known will be objectively measurable as well. It seems the challenge in using MEG has a bias. Thus - what are those factors that prevent one to go back and recall the baby experiences while a language gets learnt - it may add new vocabulary or use existing words in a new perspective to share with others.

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Closing Statement from Charan Singh

Thank you all - the spectrum of responses - from Ed Schulte, Natasha Nikulina, Casey to Adriaan Braam- brought amazing insights on this theme. My question and replies were driven by the knowledge I acquired through some, available to humanity, core sources of Wisdom that are little explored - though seems extremely beneficial for solving our current problems. The reason to ask this question was to further explore and find equivalent knowledge terms that can be commonly understood by all. Must say I tried exploring ,not missing even a small reference about " The Word" and how little we know about The Word that manifests through language as our World. Interestingly, I learnt about a Oneness frequency C132/A 432 Hrz that further led me to a great related article link http://www.jwmt.org/v1n4/readlight.html and another book title: P.D.Ouspensky - The Fourth Way, that accepts and addresses to the question asked here " why one doesn't remember and how can one develop that memory that remembers everything " Present day Science or pedagogy - sorry to state, addresses or knows only about two dimensions of that memory that inherits the potential to be developed into four. It is not about religion or faith or worshiping - it is purely about the knowledge accessible to mankind that can be gained through - easy to make observations, experiments not subjective experiences, comparisons, analysis - and using all other tools a scientific mind would use or prefer to use.

I remain indebted to all who participated and shared their valuable inputs on this thread. Thank you.

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  • Feb 27 2013: Thinking about language...

    St Augustine was able to perform miracles and one of his miracles looked like this :
    The manuscript was opened in front of him ; he looked at the page for some time and then could tell what was written there.

    He could read silently !!!
    It was a miracle back then in the end of the third century BC. Now we all can do it, 7/8 year old child can do it and we take it for granted. It's how our human ability to get/transfer information has been shifted from audial to abstract-visual. Now we can communicate via written text on line and sometimes it's possible to get a precious aha-moment ! :)
    Has it anything to do with vibration ? Of course, there is nothing but vibrations, but what is vibrating ? Meaning !!! Abstract meaning, which makes visualisation possible. Words are like stones thrown into the pond ; it is not a word that conveys the meaning ,but the ripples it sends out.
    If your mind's picture resonates with my mind's picture the understanding may occur !
    Language is the reflection of human psyche and the main factor that changes it. It is,as all is- concrescence.

    Re : it may add new vocabulary or use existing words in a new perspective to share with others.
    Maybe, yes... but i think we are moving to the domain of new/old media.

    What do you think ?
    • Feb 27 2013: Natasha !! What seems as a miracle for some - with scientific mind one may turn that into common persons empowerment tool! Thus investigating into the cause of Amnesia/ factors affecting ability to recall !! Yes it is vibrations - as per my evolving understanding , not a privilege for some - however, an equal opportunity for all to connect with the Core. Collectively , we can work to explore this partly eclipsed field. I agree with you strongly that , search for meaning - researching, churning , re- reading sometimes bring the " Aha! Moments ! Full of insight - soothing !! Refreshing!! Strengthening !!
      • Feb 28 2013: Imagine a line that goes away from the Core towards the abstract/mentality ( baby/humanity is growing ). But there are no strait lines in nature, any line appears to be a curve and it goes back to the Core.
        Someone asked : why are we here ? And answered : we are here to go.
        You see where i am heading ?
        Just example : Mandelbrot set.
        I am not a mathematician and have no chance to understand the algorithm behind it.
        But being visualised it is open to anyone with eyes open, i can see and get my ' aha' !
        So... we are here to go, no need to go back, for it is not possible , we need to go forward and "by the end of our exploration we'll come to the place where we've started to see it for the first time"
        The end is The beginning. The Core is always here, it goes nowhere, it's you/me/us relating to Nature.
        Didn't you notice, that any time we try to say something we really want to say, it sounds tooo laud even tasteless...?
        I'd better not to read my post before submitting :)
        • Feb 28 2013: Natasha- what do you think about as a child one develops a image that is nothing but Imitation of the universe around !!! What may be called ego/ false self / what dies ;)
      • Feb 28 2013: True story !
        How true ? How do i know ? I am involved, i am that child :)
      • Mar 1 2013: Hi, Charan ,
        i love your metaphor !
        To make it more ' true ' i would suggest to push it to the edge of comprehensibility, it should be not graspable by rational mind.
        " a child develops an image that is nothing but Imitation of the universe around " ...which is around only because a child is dreaming it into existence.
        Something like this.
        A rational mind would cry : it's impossible to understand it even on the metaphoric level , it's paradoxical...absurd !
        But a subtle mind would honour the complexity of the situation.
        Just thoughts :)
    • Feb 28 2013: Charan

      HU is the vibration/frequency Sufi use ( deep deep in the central chest area) ….as the Buddhists use Ooom …to bring ones Being as close to Origin as possible ( of Being but with out leaving it ).


      nn Hi!

      Re: “What is Logos in this context? Nothing is separate from Absolute, so Logos is Absolute.”
      Logos is “Absolute Beingness” (manifested as Superconsciousness as in your example of Saint Augustine ) Yes and there are many other example. I can think of one who assisted Egyptologists translate Their ‘Book of the Dead’. When he corrected some of their mistakes and they complained ..."how do you know more then we?" he replied "Because I helped write the original"

      That “BEingness” is the both, blessing and the curse we HU-mans deal with and …back to Charans origin question …..and your “why are we here ?..to go” pointer. We seem to “forget” what we knew in past incarnations and early current earthly life, but of course nothing is “forgotten” because it is recorded in Cosmic Mind / Akashic records for when full alignment (with Logos) is developed. But in the mean time thanks to divine grace this “forget-fullness” is there to protect lower mind which cannot handle the power Superconsciousness.
      • Feb 28 2013: Hi Ed !!!
        "Logos is “Absolute Beingness”
        Yes, it makes sense, but to explain why it makes sense for me i need to write a book :)
        "...Because I helped write the original"
        Is there any currently living being who didn't participate in writing the ‘Book of the Dead’ ?
        We all were writing the " Book of the Dead " the Bible, Hermetic corpus....anything ..everything.
        If they had not been written, the world, you and i inhabit would have been a different place and you/me/us would be different beings There is nothing to remember or hide/protect, all the world from ' let it be light ' to that very moment is here ; nothing lasts but nothing is lost either. The problem is to have an opening to ' now' , where all is condensed. I don't think it's even possible to get there by mind, but somehow we can have this gut feeling, it's a kind of unprovable certainty. And mind is a very helpful thing, actually to bring us to the point where it is not allowed to enter.

        " But in the mean time thanks to divine grace this “forget-fullness” is there to protect lower mind which cannot handle the power Superconsciousness."

        What can't be handled can't be used/misused, i guess.
        So it's protected by itself. Would one strive for power, dominance if that one could feel immortal, being one all over the place ? Who are those others to control, if it's all you ??? Those who can't feel this way, can't handle the power and can't use.
        And here we are, at least, i am :)
        Amnesia is a disease and an engine that pushes us to go, to be, to ' know thyself' . I think , it's a blessing to be aware of 'human condition', really be aware, it makes 'the curse' part enjoyable and here miracles and openings may happen
        Does it make sense ? :)
        Thankus !
        • Mar 2 2013: Thanks to you all- it seems the Amnesia is complementary to recall - when we write two words , a space gap is needed to between two example : thisismypoint -if I don't leave space , reader will have difficulty reading , similarly continuous talking has its challenges -in stead dialogcal - speaking - pause - listening is efficient / productive !!! Both listening - speaking , or space between two words thus Space-written words are complementary to each other - if this is correct then what seems WORTH EXPLORING REMAINS - What connects these two complementary possibilities and how ? You complement - turn;)
      • Mar 1 2013: "....thanks to divine grace this “forget-fullness” is there to protect lower mind which cannot handle the power Superconsciousness."
        It's just occurred to me , that it is not about 'use/misuse' possibility, as i've thought before ; it's deeper. Superconsciousness can be incompatible with the very idea of ' being ' for the ' lower mind '

        I was wrong in my rapid guessing. I am quite often wrong :)
        • Mar 1 2013:  And which aspect of you could possibly be "wrong" ??!!!!???!!! :-) why .the lower minds speculation of the Higher Self tis all. ;-) ;-)

          It like the now late but great Dr D R Hawkins loved to point out ..."nothing ever happened!!" ;-)
          Or Tolle's, "few things matter much and most things don't matter at all."

          But you are absolute correct on your earlier comment on the Divine wisdom's -will pleasure's keeping the power (its power) completely out of the reach of lower mind (ego). Even if it could even touch the slightest hint of Omnipotence it would be quit the disaster .On a side note...about 8 months ago the science community in publication ..ScimAm, Science and nature wrote about their realization that the term "The Big Bang" is a gross misnomer ...it should be called "The Big Drop Down" because that is that it was ..a Lower Energy field coming in to manifestation out of much Higher Potential Energy fields

          Glad to see /hear this thread is continuing to bubble along !!!
        • Mar 2 2013: Nn- Just to add ( what Ed said) there is no higher (super) or lower( mind) consciousness , it seems.... There is no wrong either - higher and lower are complementary to each other - like the Rowing !!! Take the life boat on the journey ahead or two side of a coin ( as once Casey - posted a YouTube link , though with only the dynamic between two sides never stops - unlike as on the you tube, the massage of complementing / protecting each other seems important .) There is a CONTINUUM- inhale followed by exhale followed by inhale- day followed by night follows by day !!! What else logical mind needs to explore this concept !!!. Scientific minds are struggling to find the unitary gravity , that was there before BB - the weakest link in their 4 Energy types -puzzle - that during Big Bang expanded to that dimension keeping every thing / all energsies stable there after;)
      • Mar 2 2013: Hi, Ed !!!
        "The Big Drop Down" sounds much better, it spells ' The Big Up ' is on the way ! :)
        Could you help me with a link, if any ?

        And about my ' i am wrong' confession :)
        It's easy for Tolle ( who jumpes into ' now' at will and comes back with a baby smile... ) not to talk himself to belief that he understands something right. I'm watching myself not to entertain i-understand- illusion. Neither right nor wrong standingunder is what i am after. That's why each time when i think that i am probably 'right' i start to seek the 'wrong' part and it's always voila ! :)
      • Mar 2 2013: Thanks, Charan !!!
        Yes and Yes ! :)
        The balance was broken and still preserved. This point somehow i can grasp, but CONTINUUM- lasts, lasts forever ... ETERNITY has no duration at all , it's where Time stops.
        How to reconcile them ?
        I guess it is not comprehensible, but maybe it's possible to create a paradoxical verbal ' model ' with ' no time' part in it ?
        Like ' center is everywhere' , ' the seer is the seen ' ... i can have ' aha ' here. But it's all about continuum.
        How to involve 'zero' into the picture ? My mental effort looks like " abandon hope ye who enter here " :)
      • Mar 2 2013: Charan ,
        i've just read your your 'Amnesia is complementary to recall ' comment.
        So... Amnesia is an interval.
        Great !
        I am searching for ' zero' part, while it is always here , not seen( as it should ), but if it was not here, nothing would be seen !
    • Mar 2 2013: Hi nn

      don't want to distract here ....the point of this article "big freeze" is crucial to the "why can't lower mind remember ( and the 'word' re-member aught to be shift instead) question

      http://rt.com/news/universe-creation-big-chill-259/

      Other articles such as space.com that this and water it down by trying to see/hear it from the lowest /dimension/perspective ...the "fro zed" level .......but I am sure you will / see / hear / feel in the "behind" the words of the link the same principle the ancient sages pointed to when they used the analogy the level of consciousness is like the states water exists in ...solid liquid and vapour.

      In the higher states of consciousness ..(so called "vapourous" ) all things not only languages" can and will be "re-membered" . So the answer to Charan original question "why can't we" is ...because our exposed to the lowest (frozen) state of consciousness is ..."because of our exposer to "frozen"

      Cheers
      • Mar 2 2013: Ed, thanks for the link !
        James Quach:
        "The reason we use the water analogy is water is without form,” "In the beginning there wasn't even space. Space did not exist because there was no form."
        The Bible :
        In the beginning...the earth was without form, and void.....And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters "
        No comments !
        What about global warming ? To put it into the context of the article seems to be too risky or naive , but why not ? Nothing has independent existence from anything else.
        I'll think about it :)
        • Mar 3 2013: Hi nn

          well Quach is a bit off the mark there ...water ..as does all the manifest exist does..responds to the consciousness effecting it. By the latter ...."wasn't even space" is correct. Also there was no "form" until there is an observer with a mind developed to create the form which resonates with its particular vibration.

          Re: "What about global warming?" The Earth has the same support structure as each HUman does ..iow ..it is looked after power far far higher then HUman UNconsciousness can ever effect it. The Earthly realm with BE as lang as required to support the next progression of HUman ...iow it will respond to the behaviours of HUman UNconsciousness appropriately ...and as Tolle so appropriately puts it "Even the Sun will die" therefore...in a sense current Unconscious behaviour is preparing us for the ability to create the "New" Sun when required.

          See you up top here
        • Mar 4 2013: Yes

          all the true masters who have left wisdom to be followed pointed out the when ever there is a growth in consciousness there is a equal resistance trying to hold it back.

          Schopenhauer's "all turns are first ridiculed , then treated with hostility ...and finally seen as self evident .

          A truth once brought open influence all ...not just those who are immediately ware of it. Global consciousness broke through LOC 200 approx 20 years ago and it has fluxed between 202 and 205 sinc.

          I appreciate the Blake quote ....its goes right to the Noetic ...Thank Us!!!!
      • Mar 3 2013: Global warming is what ' the lower mind ' can register, being not quite aware of the processes behind it or simply put : the flux.
        But on the other hand ' lower mind ' is not separate from the Mind , nothing is.
        Is it what you are saying ?
        The Nature is fractal and yes 'as above so below '. In physics there is a concept of phase transition ; i guess, it's where we are now.
        If the experiment fails on this planet, the torch of evolving consciousness will be picked up elsewhere, on some other planet round some other sun. If think 'quantum mechanically' more correct picture, more mature one may look like
        ".Unconscious behaviour is preparing us for the ability to create the "New" Sun when required."
        Yes.
        Re :"Even the Sun will die"
        "There is Time, there was Time and there will be Time no more " ( maybe William Blake )
        Gurdjieff said "The majority of people are asleep, but some are awake ! " Those who you and me are quoting here are awake. But maybe the layer of people who are not fully asleep is growing now and growing fast ? If yes, what does it mean ?
        Thanks, Ed !
        • Mar 4 2013: Yes

          all the true masters who have left wisdom to be followed pointed out the when ever there is a growth in consciousness there is a equal resistance trying to hold it back.

          Schopenhauer's "all turns are first ridiculed , then treated with hostility ...and finally seen as self evident .

          A truth once brought open influence all ...not just those who are immediately ware of it. Global consciousness broke through LOC 200 approx 20 years ago and it has fluxed between 202 and 205 sinc.

          I appreciate the Blake quote ....its goes right to the Noetic ...Thank Us!!!!
      • Mar 4 2013: Fallowing ' nothing is right or wrong' script, hostility is a curse/blessing that allows more Recognition.
        Have a joyful day !

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