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After learning a language -Why can't anyone go back and narrate what and how one experienced during the first year?

It will be interesting to explore the reasons that fill the "gap of inability" between the most efficient language learning phase and "culture bound listening phase" as Patricia says . After learning a language what prevents one to go back and bring insights, describe from that efficient learning phase in one's life. Being convinced that these insights / description once known will be objectively measurable as well. It seems the challenge in using MEG has a bias. Thus - what are those factors that prevent one to go back and recall the baby experiences while a language gets learnt - it may add new vocabulary or use existing words in a new perspective to share with others.

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Closing Statement from Charan Singh

Thank you all - the spectrum of responses - from Ed Schulte, Natasha Nikulina, Casey to Adriaan Braam- brought amazing insights on this theme. My question and replies were driven by the knowledge I acquired through some, available to humanity, core sources of Wisdom that are little explored - though seems extremely beneficial for solving our current problems. The reason to ask this question was to further explore and find equivalent knowledge terms that can be commonly understood by all. Must say I tried exploring ,not missing even a small reference about " The Word" and how little we know about The Word that manifests through language as our World. Interestingly, I learnt about a Oneness frequency C132/A 432 Hrz that further led me to a great related article link http://www.jwmt.org/v1n4/readlight.html and another book title: P.D.Ouspensky - The Fourth Way, that accepts and addresses to the question asked here " why one doesn't remember and how can one develop that memory that remembers everything " Present day Science or pedagogy - sorry to state, addresses or knows only about two dimensions of that memory that inherits the potential to be developed into four. It is not about religion or faith or worshiping - it is purely about the knowledge accessible to mankind that can be gained through - easy to make observations, experiments not subjective experiences, comparisons, analysis - and using all other tools a scientific mind would use or prefer to use.

I remain indebted to all who participated and shared their valuable inputs on this thread. Thank you.

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    Feb 26 2013: Many philosophers link language to consciousness. Why can't we verbalize our experiences we had when we did not have language? It seems to be a metaphysical question, much like "why can't we remember our experience while we were unconscious after we gain consciousness?" As it is with other metaphysical questions, I doubt that science will ever shed light on it.

    Yet, isn't the answer right there, in the question itself? What can we narrate about times when we could not narrate? Perhaps, ability to narrate is THE factor.

    I realize that my answer is trivial and may seem annoying. Before hitting "submit", I struggle with the thought "is it worth it?" do I contribute something of value? But then, isn't the question also trivial? Was it worth asking? So, I scroll down and read the insightful answers to this trivial question given by other people and I think, "Definitely so!". So, here we go.
    • Feb 28 2013: Thanks Arkady !! indeed your input is "something of value"- anything that can take this questioner a micro micro millimeter ahead on unfolding this "ability to narrate is THE factor". Do you think unconsciousness is absence of consciousness ? or there is some thread joining the two !! tapping that thread with which Consciousness is understood as unconsciousness might bring some insight into why one cant recall? It seems a likely practical implication of this would be our experiential clock will not start with language learning after first year - knowing about the complete circle would mean better exploring, likely more fulfilling;) What appears trivial apparently is because of of it being not fully traveled !! phonetically little bit similar as per consonants- with manageable vowel sounds - trivial , travel;)
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        Feb 28 2013: It seems to be a deeply philosophical question. Unconsciousness is as difficult to describe as "nothing" - not emptiness as void space, not darkness as absence of light, not silence as absence of sound, but complete "nothing" - no time, no space, no matter - complete non-existence. As we try to describe it, we necessarily describe *something*. When we describe unconscious experience, it means that the experience is not unconscious.

        The beginning of our consciousness is as mysterious as the beginning of the universe. Many people believe that the universe started from nothing, that there was no time, no space, and no matter at the beginning. It may be so, but we cannot comprehend it with reason. In one forum, a person, trying to explain that time did not exist before big bang, said: "there was time when there was no time" (#$%&??)

        Your analogy with clock is very good. Time does not have meaning before the first tick of a clock. In quantum physics, the smallest time interval that can be measured in principle is Planck time (~10^-45s). We cannot say anything about time or universe before Planck time after the big bang. It wasn't "something", but it wasn't nothing either. It was uncertainty.

        I think, it works in a similar way with consciousness. The first tick of the clock is when we say "I AM" - able to separate "self" from "not self", existence from non-existence, yes from no, light from darkness, etc. That's the first bit of information about the world we get or create which immediately explodes into a universe.
        • Feb 28 2013: Great !! Consciousness and Unconsciousness seems equally strong attributed of That Entity that travels in and out of Time. It seems the Big Bang / "explodes into a universe"for everyone of us is when first cry gets heard with cut of Umbilical cord - then one can see the world imitate the world - which may be Collective Consciousness (Aggregate of individual That Entities) from where one learns - who one is - name is so and so, father, mother, surrounding and so on. What interestingly has not changed in That Entity which got exposed to Collective Consciousness that does one's nomenclature and define that "I AM" . What puts That Entity into sleep that knows all about Who "I AM"?

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