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After learning a language -Why can't anyone go back and narrate what and how one experienced during the first year?

It will be interesting to explore the reasons that fill the "gap of inability" between the most efficient language learning phase and "culture bound listening phase" as Patricia says . After learning a language what prevents one to go back and bring insights, describe from that efficient learning phase in one's life. Being convinced that these insights / description once known will be objectively measurable as well. It seems the challenge in using MEG has a bias. Thus - what are those factors that prevent one to go back and recall the baby experiences while a language gets learnt - it may add new vocabulary or use existing words in a new perspective to share with others.


Closing Statement from Charan Singh

Thank you all - the spectrum of responses - from Ed Schulte, Natasha Nikulina, Casey to Adriaan Braam- brought amazing insights on this theme. My question and replies were driven by the knowledge I acquired through some, available to humanity, core sources of Wisdom that are little explored - though seems extremely beneficial for solving our current problems. The reason to ask this question was to further explore and find equivalent knowledge terms that can be commonly understood by all. Must say I tried exploring ,not missing even a small reference about " The Word" and how little we know about The Word that manifests through language as our World. Interestingly, I learnt about a Oneness frequency C132/A 432 Hrz that further led me to a great related article link http://www.jwmt.org/v1n4/readlight.html and another book title: P.D.Ouspensky - The Fourth Way, that accepts and addresses to the question asked here " why one doesn't remember and how can one develop that memory that remembers everything " Present day Science or pedagogy - sorry to state, addresses or knows only about two dimensions of that memory that inherits the potential to be developed into four. It is not about religion or faith or worshiping - it is purely about the knowledge accessible to mankind that can be gained through - easy to make observations, experiments not subjective experiences, comparisons, analysis - and using all other tools a scientific mind would use or prefer to use.

I remain indebted to all who participated and shared their valuable inputs on this thread. Thank you.

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  • Feb 24 2013: Hello Charan
    from the past conversation

    Re: "Why" @ED
    Change "Why" to "HOW" can one remain connected to the Core /"know itself and manifest in it Potential" - just to add Fullest Potential -

    Re: “can one remain connected to the Core”

    As Human Beings – Being Human ..we have never being separate from the “Core” we are that ..in all the Qualities// but not the Quality. it is the Quanity of the Energy of Vibration ( the other ‘word’ for this is Love” ) that causes this misconception that we Humans are somehow “separate” from the core or Source.
    Just a quick working example to add meaning to words, a Flower dosen’t know its beauty until a Human focuses its consciousness ( by lowering its vibration frequency down to its frequency) on it. This then completes the “loop” ( referring back to “there are no straight lines”) of the emanation from the one back to one and “knowing” is in both source and flower. “knowing” of course is a weak word to use ..”awareness of self” or German “Densein” (being there) is better.

    This Frequency/vibration subject is more direct to the point then the language subject. What was the “original” is what has existed since Humans began questioning the “who” of who they are. They look deep enough into their make up to detect vibrations, core vibrations …that they interpreted as sounds ….these vibration also caused colors to “appear” in the non-corporeal eyes…so these vibrations were emulated using the breath/voice device of the Human body. (These specific vibration eventually were “named” by the specific source/color relating to them ….Ma…Kha…Ra …etc and are the origins of what most system call “angels", Sufi call “faculties”)

    These then evolved into song …(songs but with no word/meanings attached to them) .then eventually languages/ words etc. If you research what is left of ancient cultures and their songs….the Circasians for example… their songs contain sound inflections made to invoke the vibrations of angelic beings.

    Good flow here all
    • Feb 24 2013: Thanks for sharing the connection.U r right about the Vibration/ Luv, before the language. Kindly share some more on how vibration transforms into Ma...Kha...Ra etc. / both as visual and sounds, what more do these signify. That's to me seems an area with answers . One of the likely draw back in Circasians songs seems their lack of universality. Say their prayers song for rain is sung in deserts - does it connects and brings the rain ! Some Ancient Indian Music with similar rain causing affects not Universally applicable...these wonderful insights into the origin were eclipsed possibly with human negligence/ intervention and likely have faded with their correct codes, It seems these are recoverable ...and valuable , worth pursuing ;)
      • Feb 26 2013: Charan

        They transform by something called "will" ..when it is the Absolute ...it is "will-pleasure" when it is by HUman (who is an aspect of Absolute) it is "Will" And yes ..rain...and so much more ....and both Materialization ...and De-materialization .....one and the same in this aspect.

        And yes this ability may "fade" or atrophy but they will always exist. Always have always will....because it is its "Will-pleasure" to be.
        • Feb 26 2013: Thanks !! ED - I like the way you write HUman- please detail more on HU+man- what it signifies. You are right - It narrow down to Absoute-Will Pleasure !! Since "will always exist" , the sad part seems these are not adequately placed in the current pedagogy at the early stage / early learning age
        • Feb 26 2013: Hi, Ed !!!
          What is Logos in this context ? The language of Absolute ?

          Nothing is separate from Absolute, so Logos is Absolute.
          ( ? :) )
        • Feb 26 2013: Charan,think about Logos and its possible relationship with language and your effort to visualise your understanding :)
          Correct me if i am wrong , you try to visualise your understanding...you seek the way to escape the tyranny of language, don't you ?
        • Feb 26 2013: I agree Natasha - the challenge seems what is that connecting Language - that has characteristics of BOTH - the language I learnt after 1st year and the LOGOS - The prior language of Absolute - with which everyone of us was exceptionally brilliant in learning in one's first year. Is there a connecting Language? That will definitely point to solution - we have been looking for - learning that language , as ED said earlier, will connect one to the vibrational energy /The Absolute on one end and EQUALLY allow one to experience the transition from being a vibration consciousness into a manifested world - does this make any sense ;)
        • Feb 26 2013: It does :)
          When language fails you try to visualise your understanding, and it's closer to Logos, language that can be seen.
          We trust our eyes more than ears. When we understand something fully we say : i see.
          We can't learn/explain/language something without separating one from another, fallowing ' observer VS observed ' pattern, but what we are trying to get to know is ONE.
          Let's go back to the very beginning, be it your babyhood or the beginning of the Universe, the pattern is similar.
          “In the beginning was the Word..." In the original manuscript, the word for Word was the Greek word Logos, which means much more than “word.” The Logos is defined as the rational principle that governs and develops the universe.
          A baby is manifestation of Logos , it grows it develops in accordance with 'rational principle that governs and develops the universe' and is not conscious of it.
          Nothing is apart from Logos and human language is not an exception. But we are too far from the source with our mental life and language has become abstract. Ancient languages created in the human infancy ( Sanskrit f.e.) were much closer, i guess.
          I've found this :
          Maybe it has something to do with "connect one to the vibrational energy "
        • Feb 26 2013: Very nicely referenced Natasha !! Thnx. Samarin, William J. (1972). Tongues of Men and Angels: The Religious Language of Pentecostalism would be likely realistic goal to better understand and compare the Two domains of languages. Cheers !!
        • Feb 26 2013: One more link to ponder
          John Dee is a very...very interesting figure, mysterious, i would say :)
        • Feb 27 2013: Thanks Natasha !!
      • Feb 26 2013: Hi, Charan !
        In Sanskrit ' Hu ' is breath of God, ' man' - hand.
        I don't know how accurate this information is i've read this somewhere.
        It makes a lot of sense, doesn't it ? :)

        The human pineal gland, which Descartes called 'seat of the soul' grows in size until about 1–2 years of age, remaining stable thereafter.
        Just food for thoughts :)
        • Feb 26 2013: Big Thanks ;) Getting clue from your message -Just googled for "HU" - Will wait till Ed shares his Gems !!

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