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Do right and wrong exist?

I'm curious about objective right and wrong. If you believe in God, this is a no-brainer. Some things are wrong, some things are right, simply because God says so and He knows. But if you don't believe in God, can you still believe in objective morality? I personally don't think you can. I mean, what do you base it off of? How do you find out what's objectively right or wrong? (By objective I mean "existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality." from dictionary.com)
Sure, there's subjective morality. Any idea of right or wrong come up with by a human is by definition subjective. That's all well and good. Problem is that it only applies to people who believe in it and it gives them no authority to proclaim anything as "what we should be doing." Very often everybody disagrees with each other and we don't get anywhere. (Just look at Congress for an example of this.)
Maybe you disagree with me and you think there is objective morality but no God. That's fine. I would like to ask you to answer a question for me though. Let's pick an easy one. Why is rape objectively wrong? Don't misunderstand me, I can't think of a single instance where rape wouldn't be wrong. I believe very strongly that sexual abuse is one of the greatest evils in the world. Why is it evil? If you can answer me without using a God-based or subjective argument, I'll concede the point.
That point is this: Without God, there is no such thing as right and wrong, only the things we call right and wrong. And since nobody can agree on what to call what, we're all in a lot of trouble.


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  • Mar 6 2013: There still is such things as right and wrong without believing in 'God'. The right and the wrong are just believed to be different things.

    People say Nature vs. Nurture? I say they both work together.

    Nurture (education in this sense) is necessary for a person to believe a certain right or a certain wrong. They must be taught certain these things.

    To be right or to be wrong is not a question of God's presence. We are all God. It is a function of: 'one receiving positive or negative reinforcement at a young enough age for doing what someone-esle-in-charge said to do'.

    IT ALL STARTS WITH EDUCATION! The younger you start educating someone, the easier it will be.

    Human beings all have a conscience. In my mind the conscience is God. We're not immediately consciously aware of it's mechanisms, but we can all LEARN to be.

    We're all 'in a lot of trouble' because collectively our emphasis on education is terrible. That's just because we have not been collaborating as to what is the best for the human race. TED is GREAT for this! It's letting us do what I just said we haven't been doing! Besides the point I know...

    If the parents in our society all collaborated, and came together to decide what WAS the right thing for our civilization, and we all decide what we want, we'll be just fine. It will just take a couple of generations before we notice the real change.

    Collaboration in education and the execution of such education decides what is right and wrong in somone's mind.

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