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Do right and wrong exist?

I'm curious about objective right and wrong. If you believe in God, this is a no-brainer. Some things are wrong, some things are right, simply because God says so and He knows. But if you don't believe in God, can you still believe in objective morality? I personally don't think you can. I mean, what do you base it off of? How do you find out what's objectively right or wrong? (By objective I mean "existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality." from dictionary.com)
Sure, there's subjective morality. Any idea of right or wrong come up with by a human is by definition subjective. That's all well and good. Problem is that it only applies to people who believe in it and it gives them no authority to proclaim anything as "what we should be doing." Very often everybody disagrees with each other and we don't get anywhere. (Just look at Congress for an example of this.)
Maybe you disagree with me and you think there is objective morality but no God. That's fine. I would like to ask you to answer a question for me though. Let's pick an easy one. Why is rape objectively wrong? Don't misunderstand me, I can't think of a single instance where rape wouldn't be wrong. I believe very strongly that sexual abuse is one of the greatest evils in the world. Why is it evil? If you can answer me without using a God-based or subjective argument, I'll concede the point.
That point is this: Without God, there is no such thing as right and wrong, only the things we call right and wrong. And since nobody can agree on what to call what, we're all in a lot of trouble.


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  • Mar 3 2013: This is based on the opinion that if God exists there would be an objective morality from which to abide by. This alone is a subjective statement that Deism argues against. While it is true that morality takes a subjective stance, it is constantly reinforced by both the law and social factors. This also means that culture plays a large part in morality, as there is no single defining factor that is not subject to change over time. For instance using your question rape is seen by (western) society as wrong, because it violates human rights meaning it also go's against the law, therefore, making it morally wrong. While this morality is subject to change, so is the bibles interpretation of morality as well, as seen in the crusades, stoning, subjugation of minorities, beating of woman, and rape have all been seen as morality right in one time or another in the eyes of several religions. This brings the conclusion that was is 'right' and what is 'wrong' changes through-out time whether there is a belief in God or not.

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