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Do right and wrong exist?

I'm curious about objective right and wrong. If you believe in God, this is a no-brainer. Some things are wrong, some things are right, simply because God says so and He knows. But if you don't believe in God, can you still believe in objective morality? I personally don't think you can. I mean, what do you base it off of? How do you find out what's objectively right or wrong? (By objective I mean "existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality." from dictionary.com)
Sure, there's subjective morality. Any idea of right or wrong come up with by a human is by definition subjective. That's all well and good. Problem is that it only applies to people who believe in it and it gives them no authority to proclaim anything as "what we should be doing." Very often everybody disagrees with each other and we don't get anywhere. (Just look at Congress for an example of this.)
Maybe you disagree with me and you think there is objective morality but no God. That's fine. I would like to ask you to answer a question for me though. Let's pick an easy one. Why is rape objectively wrong? Don't misunderstand me, I can't think of a single instance where rape wouldn't be wrong. I believe very strongly that sexual abuse is one of the greatest evils in the world. Why is it evil? If you can answer me without using a God-based or subjective argument, I'll concede the point.
That point is this: Without God, there is no such thing as right and wrong, only the things we call right and wrong. And since nobody can agree on what to call what, we're all in a lot of trouble.

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  • Feb 27 2013: yes.......now for a long complicated debatable answer...patterns are the forms for life,energy,and all thought. DUE TO THE REPETITION, things are knowable for all...this harmony of pattern and continuity,and ressurecting ability formerly appealed to the moral mind in the quest for right action...patterns of nature,patterns of astronomy...follow this thread and one felt like part of the world,and in an obligatory relationship with NATURE OUR CREATOR...no story of superior gene pools, superior sexes...just patterns the intergrated into all things knowable...this was formerly the basis for our truth prior to the hijacking of the mythic man by those who sought control of the magnificience of the...the universe...and that is why this debate is endless..because we are enveloped in jargon..and ignorant of the knowable patterns that ridiculed religions are overflowing with

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