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Do right and wrong exist?

I'm curious about objective right and wrong. If you believe in God, this is a no-brainer. Some things are wrong, some things are right, simply because God says so and He knows. But if you don't believe in God, can you still believe in objective morality? I personally don't think you can. I mean, what do you base it off of? How do you find out what's objectively right or wrong? (By objective I mean "existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality." from dictionary.com)
Sure, there's subjective morality. Any idea of right or wrong come up with by a human is by definition subjective. That's all well and good. Problem is that it only applies to people who believe in it and it gives them no authority to proclaim anything as "what we should be doing." Very often everybody disagrees with each other and we don't get anywhere. (Just look at Congress for an example of this.)
Maybe you disagree with me and you think there is objective morality but no God. That's fine. I would like to ask you to answer a question for me though. Let's pick an easy one. Why is rape objectively wrong? Don't misunderstand me, I can't think of a single instance where rape wouldn't be wrong. I believe very strongly that sexual abuse is one of the greatest evils in the world. Why is it evil? If you can answer me without using a God-based or subjective argument, I'll concede the point.
That point is this: Without God, there is no such thing as right and wrong, only the things we call right and wrong. And since nobody can agree on what to call what, we're all in a lot of trouble.


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  • Feb 9 2013: It is beginning to appear that humans do not have much say in the way of "free will".
    They do not have very much of it.
    They have been under the belief however, and for a long time, that they functioned solely by and on free will.
    (for the most part)

    That seems to me to be wrong. :) to have allowed us to live under this false pretense strikes me as evil, sinister,
    cruel and sadistic. Which I personally judge and declare as wrong.

    But ultimately, we have this power called the power of life and it is overwhelmingly powerful.
    One can do whatever one wants to do and that is why I believe this power is so frightening to most. But...
    If we don't have free will, then are we really doing what we choose to do or are we also disillusioned there as well?

    How can we distance ourselves from emotion, feeling, thoughts and so on in order to be in a place or state of no right and wrong? Nothing would mean anything then. But maybe, that is what we really are and are supposed to be.
    A neutral observer and "experiencer" of conscious awareness. And grateful for it.

    I personally think that almost everything (can't think of anything right this moment), in life is not and does not, have a moral nature to it. Sex is one thing people have been brainwashed into believing is a moral issue to begin with, when it isn't.

    The moral nature in life, if there is one, and it is for humans and not other species on this planet (again, don't know for sure), is in how we treat one another. It isn't a subject per se, as most make sex a subject of immorality.

    As soon as a topic turns to sex it is immediately thrown in this realm of immorality by many, mentally.

    I think something has been withheld from us and I don't like that.
    Apparently, with all we do, we still haven't discovered it yet.

    That to me is like being sent a message but not being told or contacted that it is on the backside of a banana tree leaf that grows in the Costa Rican jungle, just outside the fence of a banana plantation. Odd.

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