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Mitch SMith

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Is "the state" our enemy?

I am seeing a growing trend of antipathy towards "the state".

This is coming from all sides of political discourse. But Mostly, none of it is qualified by what this "state" is.

I find that confusing.
I assumed that "the state" was a collection of "us" and that the "democracy" we support is simply a process of having representatives make laws which we agree to obey ..

SO .. let's have a look!

Is our state antithetical to our own agreement?

Please let me know what you think the "state" is and why it is your enemy?

If we can get some kind of understanding for that, then we might be able to advise our representatives. We vote for them after all .. is that just "entertainment"? Or is it real?

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Many thanks for those who contributed here!
The discussion has been quite inspiring.

Is "the state" our enemy?

I conclude that if we are part of the definition of the state, it cannot be our enemy.
However, if we are excluded from that definition, it could very well be our enemy.

If you observe that the state is separate from you, then you must decide:
1. if you need to defend yourself against it.
2. If you should negotiate an allegence with it.
3. If you should join with it.
4. If you should attack it.
5. If you should create another state which includes you in its definition.

I would suspect that a state will resist attempts by outsiders to change it - this is the same as an attack and will be dealt with accordingly.

I will point out that western "democracies" have included the mechanism of electoral terms. If such terms were treated as an opportunity to dissolve and re-form a state, then inclusion would be the first principle.

Is the Western state our enemy? No - the enemy lies in the political parties who have corrupted the power of the electoral term - this is where the enemy should be met.

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  • Feb 6 2013: I think the state is the problem just as bacteria can be a problem - when its dirty, sickly and causes harm to the well-being of the organism it needs to go. Our current system has a lot wrong with it and many people above have issued a list of grievences. The state is the problem ultimately because it represents an institution of higher power that is elitist and member centric - if your not a member your screwed and even if you are a member you are poisoning the well and one day your chickens will come home to roost, bringing all of the poison back home with them (which will in turn ruin the nation for the sake of your very own posterity).
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      Feb 6 2013: Hi Mikel,
      Many thanks for your contribution.

      I like the reference to bacteria. This infers that the government might be structured as a true symbiot and shifted from its current role as a parasite.

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