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Jamie Hume

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How much do you know about First Nations Treaties and the Crown?

Generally speaking, First Nations treaties with the Crown of Canada seem like something mythical and in the distant past. They are however, very current and in the here and now however. That vague sense of obscurity has been and still is cultivated by a lack of intention by government and a misrepresentation of the facts through education. Some improvement has been achieved in the education system, but more needs to be done and that does not address several generations of lack of and or distorted information instilled in the general Canadian public.
So, rather than discussing whether these treaties are relevant or not, I would like to begin the discussion with the question... what do you, know about the treaties between First Nations and the Crown of Canada? We are all treaty people and we all have some responsibility to be informed.

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    Jan 29 2013: Jamie, I was once briefly stationed in Goose Bay Lab. I heard the term first nations there and believe it to be the equevilant of what we in the states call "indian tribes".

    However, being from the USA I would not be knowledgable of what treaties are in existence in your country.

    If my defination is correct ... then please explain where you would like to drive this conversation.

    Bob.
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      Jan 30 2013: Here Rob.

      Though you might be more knowledgeable about your native history this link is not an implication that you are not. I would like to point to the links second english word "nations" so i'm going out on a limb here, maybe the North American Native peoples have always viewed themselves as nations?

      I think in this video they allude? to the idea that the system the native peoples used was what your founding fathers used as a base to work from. I don't know as i'm no expert but your native history is beautiful and old man, older than the first Celtic tribes of europe. Older than my own people. I do know that the people of the Sioux were always referred(or they referred to themselves) as The Sioux nation. I could be 100% wrong and open to correction.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dr_Qqja4RY
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        Jan 30 2013: As I understand it the Celts came down into the middle east from somewhere and migrated up into the isles we today know them for most. scotland and Ireland. Intermingling all the way you might say... hmmm. I am a product of that myself.

        Ken I think you may be right about the Sioux. I will watch the video. I have a lot of respect for that nation.
        That is where the White Buffalo calk Pipe sits. A profoundly prophetic symbol of peace.
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          Jan 31 2013: Hi Jamie, I could trundle through vast pages of modern and old history to catchup but I'm a slow reader, I tend to eat the words (Yes, a bit strange) but that's the best way i can explain it, so. I will ask you instead.

          Is it true the tribes are assembling a dreamcatcher that has the feathers of the true white Eagle? and something from the white calf? I'm seeing it through the eye's before there were borders just the natural tribal areas. I only vaguely remember reading something about the feathers and the White calf, or was it a shield? that is to be taken around the nations?

          You know the Treaties with the Crown can take a generation or two before before a government will start taking it seriously. Are you 1/4 native? half cast? 1/8th or just a natural native born of different blood, Don't be offended as this is how my people talk to each other when sorting ourselves out with the bloodlines. The last full blood of my people died sometime last century.
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        Jan 31 2013: Yes, that 500 nations Series was pretty good. I also recommend the Seventh Fire.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tneC-yHQhMg

        and, this is great!
        http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/8thfire/
        • Feb 17 2013: Glad you passed on the Seventh Fire series in this Conversation....it does explain a lot of 'myths' relating to First Nations taxation, history and current issues. I hope they continue to produce more episodes to dispel the animosity and racism that Idle No More brought to the surface lately.
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    Jan 28 2013: I am not Canadian and know nothing about it. Assuming you are knowledgable and up-to-date on this subject, why not share what you know here?
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    Jan 30 2013: That is correct Ken. Aboriginal peoples have and still do assert that their tribal communities are nations.

    Here in Canada we also have groups of pre-Canadian Confederacies. The Iroquois Confederacy is believed to have been a strong influence on the way your American government was created.

    The British and the French had allies amongst First Nations as they went to war over what is now Canada.

    Yes, Robert, these are one and the same. However, even though a lot of First Nations people, particularly elders, still use the term Indian in Canada, we have moved away from it as it was a mistaken identity in the first place. This is not India.

    Yes, all of these treaties are valid today. They were created to be enforced for time immemorial. I imagine, that only if both parties to a treaty agree, that it could be dissolved and or a new treaty made. Of course we all know that treaties get broken... a very negative road.
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    Jan 29 2013: Nothing.
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    Jan 29 2013: Fritzie, the question is placed here to create discussion amongst us, not for me to give a lecture on First Nation treaties with the Crown. I do have some knowledge, but I am certainly not an expert. Sadly, what I consider limited knowledge on the subject is more than the average person knows. So why not get talking about it and share information as the subject unfolds? I believe in discussion, research and all manner of presentations are what gives a subject vitality. There are many ways to learn about any given subject. This is why I love the TED series.Maybe it would be an excellent topic for a TED talk.

    George, what part of the Crown of Canada and First Nations, is not ,clearly leaving out the United States of America? Canada is a Common Wealth country, a constitutional monarchy. That monarchy established nation to nation agreements ie treaties with existing governing bodies, ier the first nations( indigenous nations) ... which in Canada are today referred to as First Nations and for a short form online often as FN.
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      Jan 29 2013: But couldn't you still share what you know, even if you aren't an expert? People here tend not to be experts on the subjects they discuss.
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        Jan 30 2013: All right... in moderation as the discussion unfolds. I really want to hear from people. I hear myself most of the time lol.
        • Feb 2 2013: I am just starting to learn a little bit about my native history as I found Louis Riel on my family tree. It is my understanding however that since I don't have immediate family in my family tree who are native I do not have any rights to the treaties set forth e.g. a card for tax breaks and or shopping discounts. I never really looked any closer at the treaties for the reason that even if I did qualify for those monetary benefits I didn't want to detract from the spirit and heart of my origin, money can't buy that. Some people want all these benefits and sometimes its tempting to look into but I rather beat on my drum and sing to the clouds before I go skydiving :)

          With Idle No More I feel a sense of obligation to learn more about the treaties now but still feel uncomfortable about learning more since there was so much bloodshed that I presume were built on these treaties bloodshed our generation is not responsible to answer for but do bare the responsibility to create peace based on the lessons we have learned.
  • Jan 29 2013: I agree with Fritzie. Are you talking about what the U.S. calls Indian treaties? Sounds a little
    PC to me - Or is this between Canada and other UN memebers? With your colder weather I assume you have fewer than we do. Fewer tribes However, I assume that there are alot of them Tell us all
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    Feb 17 2013: Me too Valerie. Information is what most people lack... 'good' information. So much distortion and disconnect.
  • Feb 5 2013: as someone who has had the honour of studying our Treaties at the feet of many Elders and Constitutional Experts i can say theres not much about Treaty that i dont know. they are nation to nation agreements that cant be broken, just like the treaty of Ghent or the Louisiana purchase, they are 100% binding, and our Mi'kmaq Treaty protocols come from a Prophecy, they are entrenched in the Charter of Rights and the Canadian Constitution, where it says that no legislation can trump Treaty. You cant talk about Mi'kmaq Treaties without talking about Title, as we Mi'kmaq still hold title to this land we live on, that means we are the owners, and now that we are educated in International Human Rights and Constitutional Law >we will take back what is ours, and the best thing is i think the canadian citizens are convinced that we alone can manage the Resources of this Country without turning it into a wasteland...
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      Feb 5 2013: Thank you Santo, I really appreciate this post. I hope that it will help inform the larger public.
    • Feb 18 2013: I don't believe any 1 entity can spare the wasteland that is happening we all have to gather and do it together. We also need to mature as a society without the use of force. Finally I think its high time we dispense of the have's and have nots. I don't know of any 1 country that hasn't been destroyed by the economy and we need to invent a new political economic structure that works and I think society is fresh out of ideas. We need a new age Einstein that quits repeating history. The wealth has exchanged hands over many many hundreds of thousands of years, but with each turn people get as leaders they make the same path, we need to forge something new. Traditions and treaties must be honored and protected but when it comes to world economy and environment something new must take place, we go from police state to military rule same structures different uniforms and people. I don't know who can come up with new ideas but what is clear what ever we do the use of force isn't the answer anymore. Jasper National Park has done some amazing things with the local natives preserving the environment, but look at the use of force by the United States who built the Ice Walk along the Columbian Icefields. No one in Jasper wanted that multi million dollar project built. But then again everyone protested the inception of the Canal in Ottawa as well.. The world is one big mess and I don't see anyone doing anything without excluding and or neglecting their neighbors. Little faith in one tradition fixing our future, it needs to come from all of us.
    • Feb 18 2013: Having said that much the Mi'kmaq are a beautiful entity yet they have not had to battle the many cultures that the Canadian West Coast has had to survive. Many Native Nations on the West coast argue with one another over funding and politics where each Nation holds contrasting traditions and funding. The Mi'kmaq have had a better foundation to rise above it all as it were in our most recent history and in the least it would be my hope that the Mi'kmaq can help the west coast find a common ground by which -all- Native Nations can co exist and get along with one another. It would seem economically the Haida Gwaii have been the forerunner in recognition and tradition we need to include everyone.
  • Feb 4 2013: Adam Beech applied for Lone Ranger and Johnny Depp was picked totally sucks got to wonder if they can't cast aboriginal celebs if the Disney story alters historical facts
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      Feb 4 2013: Yes, the American movie industry is slow to change. I think Johnny has some Native American ancestry... not certain. Adam would have been awesome though! They are really holding on to their fantasy past.
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    Feb 4 2013: We don't really know. It is horrible though. A friend of mine is involved supporting Gladys Radek.

    http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/555119_10152492581720585_823880771_n.jpg

    I just keep reposting what i can on my FB wall along with all the news on IDLE NO MORE and a few bits and pieces. Alternative media...and I pray.
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    Feb 3 2013: It's hard for me to think as myself as aboriginal as my people came to NZ (By the official time line) just over or under a thousand years ago but were the only ones that stayed and populated the two islands completing the triangle, they say it was the last place on earth to be settled but archeological finds has put question marks on that idea of when it was discovered but not the settlement plot. From my and a lot of other people's perspective is that the Australian aboriginal are the oldest of all native peoples with an unbroken culture. My people the Maori are the youngest of mans native peoples. The North and South American peoples can claim the title of aboriginal peoples as they were the first on the continents.

    We were too small in land mass and crowded when colonization came, cultural intermixing was inevitable as well as genetic mixing. We have only one treaty with the crown that covered all the tribes, it's very different compared to the first nations treaties. We share similarities but that's it, they are only similar in the struggle to have the treaties honored and we support all on the pacific rim who has a crown treaty.

    It's very strange, My people do feel an affinity with the first nations not just from the treaties. We are not genetically related but there is something there that draws us. I don't know what it is yet when i hear a round dance something flips or slides or wakes up, similar to what i felt when i was young learning our own songs. English cannot explain a peoples Kaua (way) There is an instant recognition of something with the round dance, something old from the blood.
  • Feb 2 2013: One can see that an important staple of food for native communities was brought to extinction at one point rendering a way of life impossible very disturbing ? What would Kevin O'Leary say ? http://www.retronaut.com/2011/06/killing-the-american-buffalo-1800s/
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      Feb 4 2013: I tweeted this. Yes, but you can still eat bison. We used to. It is unbelievable what greed does. Greed and total disregard for creation. I don't get the disconnect, I have never felt it myself... I am the opposite. Sometimes too much empathy I am told. I disagree though. Terrifying. It is what is spinning us out of control. Thanks for finding that and posting it. Amazing.
      • Feb 4 2013: Yes there are Bison farms now different from hunting wildlife but that picture really explains why I dislike USA hunting in Canada today and they come here to hunt all the time I say go home and hunt on your own land gawd damnit !!
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          Feb 4 2013: True. My dad took on the polar bear hunters that would come up in planes to bag a bear in the eighties. I think they are still doing it. It is horrible.
      • Feb 8 2013: There is a young gal in Sudbury fighting legislation to protect the polar bears as we speak, but even if you fix legislation regarding hunting anyone can find a polar bear on a good day down at the dump foraging for left over food instead of free ranging :(
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      Feb 4 2013: What's going on up there Jaime?

      Why are there a lot of Indian women being killed?

      Here's a link but it's from my time and era, completely different from today's world. Is there elements that you see that seem similar?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NV45ZuepZo

      On this Wednesday which will be your Tuesday my people will have our yearly holiday celebrating our treaty with the crown, it's called Waitangi day. The place name where the tribes signed the treaty, Crying water but it has become a gathering for more of my activist oriented people to gather and make their displeasure quite obviously known to our PM, who by tradition comes back to Waitangi for the day.
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        Feb 4 2013: I don't understand it either. There is a growing misogyny a brutality against women generally... a divide between men who hate women and generally those who do not care about anything but themselves and those of us real human beings of all genders, who love and care and feel something alive in ourselves that does not allow us to disconnect.

        A male FB friend just posted a photo of his niece. She had been beaten by his sisters x boyfriend.
        So, FN women are an easy target for racists to lash out at. Visibility and historically symbolic I guess. I don't know. What ever it is, it has to stop.

        Regarding the drum... you are not alone. I am not FN... as far as I know... and I feel it too. I am not a whanna be... I just feel something I cannot explain. This may sound crazy, but I feel sometimes it is a call to everyone who is still connected by heart and soul to he earth. My sons father said to me when I was bringing up the whanna be Indian thing... he said you are not stealing anything, you are returning home.
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          Feb 5 2013: What's a whanna be? You should see my aunties, not exactly Maori but if you feel the way you feel then to hell with what anyone else thinks. Trust me, it's our blondies amongst my people we have to calm down and not get it in their heads to go off and start militant training camps. Lol

          Look i've only read a small bit online but has there ever been a march from the Pacific coast by FN women towards the seat of government?. The march might go around to each nation to gather more women or any woman but it would be preferable if the grandmothers make it with their grand children. It would be hard and not all will be able to complete it but it might just take all of FN women and other women to "Hikoi" (Hee coy) sacred walk to find their answer. There must be a few hundred thousand FN women in Canada, maybe these women need to grow some balls.

          I bet it's already been done hasn't it?
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    Feb 1 2013: ... thank you Ken. " ... the blondies amongst my people we have to calm down..." I will cherish that remark. Lol.


    http://www.ammsa.com/publications/windspeaker
    • Feb 2 2013: Either way a lack of police in the northern communities really disturbs me. Crucified in the cities left abandon in the rural demographic. I was driving on the highway late fall this year and was stranded on the highway for twelve hours with car trouble and a sign on my window requesting police assistance. Not one OPP drove by for twelve hours. I thought I was quite a distance from the next town as it turns out I was five minutes from said town. I would like to see evidence that the police were that busy that they didn't do a routine traffic check over the span of that twelve hours. So many different police badges including native police and we still have the same problem, people still need better policing !! And or better priorities protecting casinos fish and wild game is important but what about the people ? Funding isn't fixing the problems.
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        Feb 2 2013: There was a court case settled recently that has been going for a decade or more. It means that you probably do have Indian Status. It was recently given to Metis and a lot of other people.
        It is good to know your own roots. For everyone.

        It is not all about money. We are all treaty people, both aboriginal and non-aboriginal .. status of no status. It is worth learning about for everyone. It opens your eyes and enriches our lives.

        The east coast had an outright slaughter of the Beothus people... if any survived they are long gone.
        The maritimes in Canada was a blood bath. The rest of the country was not. It was treaty by treaty and there are still untreatied areas across Canada yet to be settled. Ottawa is one of them.
        http://www.google.ca/search?q=Beothuk+people&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=u&rls=en&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=jXcNUeyoE4qU2gXh0YCYAw&ved=0CFMQsAQ&biw=1378&bih=940

        Baiscally, these people were hunted to extinction for the sake of colonization.

        Other than this... and this is bad enough... the USA was the biggest war zone when you talk of outright bloodshed. There were many deaths both immediate and long miserable faits across the land though and those peoples whose lives were lost deserve to have their stories heard.
        http://www.therooms.ca/museum/mnotes1.asp
        • Feb 2 2013: I think the most messed up thing in my immediate history is that learning I am related to Louis Riel who was notorious for killing Mounted Police, I was adopted into a mountie home at birth.
        • Feb 2 2013: I was living in Cape Breton when they re enacted the battle of Louisbourg while I didn't attend I watched the battleships arrive in the harbor from my livingroom. Both the French and the Native communities were very much slaughtered on the East Coast and it is very sad. The British invited many Europeans to invest in Canada to out number our people. The Mic Mac still survive on the East Coast today however there has been much politics regarding fishing and property rights throughout our time in that area. Most talk about the African history on the East Coast to detract from our history there.
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        Feb 2 2013: Yes, communities seem to be a mess... but there are things that people do not know that explain things.
        The way the federal government does things is very twisted. Rewards are balanced by severe controls.
        Corruption is almost an understandable consequence of Federal mismanagement.
        A good example is that of Chief Spence. There was no funding for the necessary staff with the expertise to do that missing book keeping. There was zero proof that anything was actually missing. The auditor stated that Chief Spence had made significant improvements and the the Federal Government was responsible for mismanagement, but in the news, most coverage did not state that. CBC was better than most, but you need to read native news media and watch APTN.
        • Feb 17 2013: Unfortunately, the actions of Chief Spence alieanated a lot of the general public. The media was very uninformed about the true financial situation and reported mainly on the amount of Federal monies that Attawapasak had received over the past several years.

          The main point that the media and public misses is that the Federal monies also pay for services that the general public is heavily subsidized for like education, health care etc. In the final analysis....First Nations on reserved get less per capita spent on them than the general public does.

          You hit the nail on the head Jamie....she did improve things but didn't have the accounting knowledge to meet the incredible paperwork that is required. It is a very small community.

          The most troubling thing to me is the Comments section of major media stories. The level of racism was shocking to me. I am Metis but don't look it so I have not experienced racism personally. But I am very aware and embrace my First Nations cousins so I do pay attention to the issues. After many years of non action.....this has caused me to activate and support Idle No More.

          We may have a chance in Canada to change things for the better. My cousins in the US have a bigger challenge.
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        Feb 2 2013: It is shameful that no one came by to help you. Right now there are an unbelievable number of people going missing. Most of them are native women.

        I think the general public thinks these people are teen runaways, vagrants, people going on drunks or prostitutes... none of which should matter, but it is not true.

        http://www.facebook.com/SaskatchewanMissingWomen?fref=tshttp://www.missingnativewomen.org/
        http://www.facebook.com/groups/464107593610714/?fref=tshttp://www.facebook.com/missing.manitoba.1?fref=ts
        http://www.amnesty.ca/our-work/issues/indigenous-peoples/no-more-stolen-sisters

        This is a massive situation. It is deplorable. If this were white people it would be in the news every day. The majority of these missing women never hit the news. I am very glad that you are safe, but be aware and protect yourself and those you love. This is a real or imagined or exaggerated danger.

        This site is just a taste of it. Almost every day I get posts by friends of missing people. Do I see these people in the news. No. So what is going on?!!!!

        As women, all women need to stand together as sisters and make this stop. How, I do not know, but we have to do it.
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    Feb 1 2013: Some interesting links;
    This is interesting... I particularly like the wording used ...civilizations
    http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/firstnations/civilisations.html

    This is for anyone under the illusion there were no boarders here before European contact.
    Blackfoot Confederacy... yeah Blood tribe!
    http://www.google.ca/search?q=blackfoot+confederacy+territory&hl=en&client=safari&sa=X&tbo=u&rls=en&tbm=isch&source=univ&ei=RdcLUfjlI-aBywH4soDwBg&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1378&bih=956

    Placing Fn first person networks ...
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    Jan 31 2013: All Canadians and First Nations are treaty people. Therefore we all have some responsibility to keep it current. I believe so. I would think that non-aboriginal Americans should feel some kind of connections to First Nations within your boarders too. I wish more people were better informed. Yours is a very different history though.

    Ken are you aboriginal? I would be very cautious about what you have heard. I know that there are some frauds out there. Arvol Looking Horse verses Marie Elk Head. Marie has passed away now... I am not party to this, but the Elk Heads are ... or so i believe, the White Buffalo Calf Bundle holders. This is for the Sioux people to sort out... I just feel it was her family.

    This shield I have never heard of before. The dreamcatcher is a new one too. Have not heard of anything like that. Of course I know about the dreamcatcher... just not this one you are talking about. Interesting. I doubt that that is true, but I will keep an eye on that and ask around.

    No, I am not to my knowledge aboriginal. I am mainly Celtic extraction, but have family and friends that are FN.
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      Feb 1 2013: Cool man, I was wondering if you were or not but it was obvious you had some contact and well...there it was, In the family. Yeah mate i'm a native but we've had it better than others who have delt with the crown. the treaties? with the crown and the First nations of Canada, I know nothing about so i'm going to look it up.

      That other stuff in my other post with the shield is speculative as i can't even remember where i read it from or if it was what i remember. If you have any good links to native websites with your local peoples, it would be good to throw them up for us.
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        Feb 1 2013: You are very perceptive, I never thought anyone would make that connection.
        My family affiliation is Kainai and MI'kmaq by blood and many more by friendship.
        Where are you from?
        I got involved with FN rights and the treaties in the 1980s.
        I will make some more link posts.
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    Jan 30 2013: Idle No More has become a profoundly inspirational movement to many people here in Canada, both aboriginal and non-aboriginal. A major issue people are struck with in the movement is lack of knowledge about the issues amongst the general public and even our federal and provincial governments. Thus, I was inspired to ask the above question and see what happens,
    • Feb 2 2013: In part I think Idle No More is amazing however I am disappointed that a female figure came forward to start the movement and then was shown to have mishandled money. I am female and well it would have been wonderful to see a better mentor come forward regardless of the fact that her people support the money she spent, I still feel a better example could have led the movement.
      • Feb 17 2013: Chief Spence did not start the Idle No More movement. Four FN women in Saskatchewan did. Their primary message was that the police were not doing enough to solve the hundreds of FN women who have gone missing. And to protest the government's focus on moving Canada to be a major exporter of our coal, oil and gas resources.

        FN in the North already are aware of the environmental effects of the oil sands and fracking and most do not support the huge expansion of the pipelines. This is their home lands while most people are in cities and towns away from the fields. Urban people do not see the devastation caused. Leaks DO happen.

        Idle No More became a movement for all the environmental and political issues that the First Nations face. I am Metis (now Indian...but that will probably change again as is under Federal appeal). I do not suffer the political restrictions imposed on First Nations on reserve but am very familiar with the issues and support my cousins fully.

        You don't need to be First Nations to want clean water, clean air and an habitable planet for your children. It is in the culture of First Nations people to think of important issues in terms of 7 Generations. That is far more important than current short term economics or politics. The selfishness of past generations have brought us to this, now it is up to all of us, now, to make positive change.
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        Feb 20 2013: I doubt it that the four women had any idea how what they started would go viral and wake up the peoples and there is something right them being women, in my culture though it is us men who are most vocal, it's our girls who tell us what to say as they gage a room full of people better, but then when you have a room full of women all eyeing each other then the public talks can get interesting as their husbands start the dance of the talk.
        • Feb 20 2013: Yes Ken we just finished a four day fireside vigil for a noted woman in our community who passed away last week and it was the women who guarded the fire throughout those four days often it is the men who do this all in all it was very sacred and an honor to have been a part of this ceremony I appreciate your input :)