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Why don't people believe in God?

if it were even the slightest possible chance that there is a hell and its a place of everlasting torment and hate wouldnt you want to make sure there isnt one by checking every possible source of information and proof that God does not exist or does?

And why do most people who ask themselves this question and go search for answers come back a christian?

yeah the whole idea can be denied with logical reasoning but you got to look at where this idea came from and how much we can trust this information. When you search for those facts they cant be denied and once you experience what God does in your life you will know its real. If you dont believe in it you should have proof andt the strongest possible evidence of everything that cant be denied.

I want to look at what you guys think and why you guys don't. Please dont attack other peoples ideas and thought and be open with every ounce of reasoning you can come up with.

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    Apr 16 2011: Its interesting to see how people who believe and people who dont believe in God respond in the same emotional way. Here is an interesting thought ... Scientific research is limited—restricted to what humans can actually observe or study. Otherwise it is mere theory or guesswork. Scientist Vincent Wigglesworth of Cambridge University observed that the scientific method itself is “a religious approach.” How so? “It rests upon an unquestioning faith that natural phenomena conform to ‘laws of nature.’” So when someone rejects belief in God, is he not simply exchanging one type of faith for another?
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      Apr 16 2011: I strongly disagree on your 'interesting' thought.
      And I disagree with Wigglesworth too. I think he doesn't know what science is. (Although he is a scientist, no debate about that... but a car driver doesn't necessarily know how a car works)

      Science rests upon no such assumption...
      We can however see and measure, time and again, that the "laws" we found describe reality on a very accurate level.

      You might want to explain to me why a "default" assumption has the same value as a belief.

      A belief is thinking something is true, without minding whether it is actually true.

      So for some, science can be a belief...
      Others understand that science is also different from a belief.

      I hope you can understand this nuance.
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        Apr 16 2011: Christophe I agree with you that true science rests upon making no default assumptions otherwise it would just be a belief, however, you made a comment recently saying "I would not ask people to "believe" evolution. I would point out that not accepting the theory of evolution would be ignoring a lot about what is known about reality." Permit me please ...

        The simplest known self-reproducing organism (H39 strain of Mycoplasma) has 625 proteins averaging 400 amino acids each. However, some contend that, theoretically, one might get by with 124 such proteins. What are the chances of one of these proteins of 400 “left-handed” amino acids forming from a mixture of both “right-” and “left-handed” ones? One chance in 10120 (1 followed by 120 zeros). However, for this nonexistent cell 124 proteins are needed.
        What are the chances of spontaneously forming that many, all from “left-handed” molecules? One chance in 1014,880. But these amino acids cannot be tied together just indiscriminately; they must be in the right sequence. To get these 124 proteins, averaging 400 “left-handed” amino acids each, with the acids in the correct sequence, the chances are 1 in 1079,360. If we wrote out this last number in full (1 followed by 79,360 zeros)! Dr. Emil Borel, an authority on probabilities, said that if there is less than a 1 in 1050 chance for something to happen, it will never happen, no matter how much time is allowed. And that number could be written in less than two of these lines.

        It is also particularly pertinent to point out that the eminent theoretical physicist, Eugene P. Wigner, gave an elegant and rigorous proof from group theory, that the probability for spontaneous existence of a self-reproducing unit of any kind is zero.”

        So my response would be "I would ask people to "believe" evolution as a default assumption if they want to. I would point out that accepting the theory of evolution would be ignoring a lot about what is known about probability."
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          Apr 16 2011: That theory can be debunked because it assumes spontenous organization in evolution occurs without thermodynamic stability. If changes in the DNA provide even an increment of stability in a given structure then that structure is naturally perpetuated and the probability of an organized structure forming increases expontentially.
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          Apr 16 2011: I agree with Budimir here

          You may respond whatever you like of course, and I might want to refer to another topic on evolution for further discussion on that.
          But I can be brief:
          * http://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup#p/a/u/0/As1HlmYeh7Q
          * Evolution theory says nothing about abiogenesis... which you are referring to...

          As a Statistician and a probability teacher, I tend to have the arrogance to say I do understand probability theory on a quite high level.
          I might want to agree with Emil Borel, but even so, It won't win you the argument, see Budimir for that.
    • Apr 16 2011: Yes, Justine, I've noticed that in previous conversations. Believers and atheists are so much alike :)

      Science discovers the laws of nature that help to describe the natural phenomenon,it's great, but who can tell, why the laws of nature are the way they are? How everything came from nothing? -It's the realm of belief. "There will always be truth that lies beyond." and it's the beauty of science ! It's job forever, science has no chance to be perfect.

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