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Drew B
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Why don't people believe in God?

if it were even the slightest possible chance that there is a hell and its a place of everlasting torment and hate wouldnt you want to make sure there isnt one by checking every possible source of information and proof that God does not exist or does?

And why do most people who ask themselves this question and go search for answers come back a christian?

yeah the whole idea can be denied with logical reasoning but you got to look at where this idea came from and how much we can trust this information. When you search for those facts they cant be denied and once you experience what God does in your life you will know its real. If you dont believe in it you should have proof andt the strongest possible evidence of everything that cant be denied.

I want to look at what you guys think and why you guys don't. Please dont attack other peoples ideas and thought and be open with every ounce of reasoning you can come up with.

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  • Apr 3 2011: I don't think that the "there isn't any proof" argument makes much sense. I used to use it. I stood behind it, mostly because I think it was easy. It's easy to use science and numbers to prove things wrong. What I didn't understand was how people could believe in some invisible entity. How can you see something that you cannot see? ha! It took me a while to realize how unfair of question that is...
    What I believe doesn't come from numbers, science, or "experts." What I ultimately came to understand was the fact that I can't prove "God" or Christianity (where my faith lies) wrong. Is the absence of proof enough to falsify?And a better question (with no intent of persecution), why choose to neglect something you can't prove wrong? Especially when the "supposed" consequences of not believing are so severe?
    I'm going to share an excerpt from a book written by a man that set out to prove God wrong and ended up being one heck of an apologetic:
    "If the whole Universe has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe, and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning" C.S. Lewis.

    This is where my faith grew from. Ever since it has been pretty awesome :)
    • Apr 3 2011: Well you believe because you have faith, which is why the ‘no proof’ argument doesn’t make sense to you. You don’t require objective data to believe or disbelieve something. I’m not like you.

      There is also no proof I will be hit by a car tomorrow. I believe this to be a distinctly higher probability than going to hell. Would you call me reckless if I do not let this risk prevent me from going to work?

      I agree numbers and science often make it easy to prove things wrong. Numbers and science also facilitate proving things right. I appreciate this, but that’s just me.

      The question was, ‘Why don't people believe in God?’ I just though I’d give my answer. (It's below someplace)
      • Apr 3 2011: That's the thing though. I WAS like you. It's weird to think about now, actually. I respect your reasoning though. When you reason within the world as we know it, the "logical" answer is "No God." If the only difference between us is faith, where do you get faith? That's the question I asked all of my Christian friends. They told me to ask God instead. So I threw all caution to the wind and did. Along with my question to Him and a few books of people experiencing this same debacle, I slowly learned that I couldn't deny.
        As for for your "Original Sin" question, It reminded me of a story I read in one of those books. It's too long to post on here though. Again, it's not something to prove, but it definitely helps make "sense" of it. If you're interested, I can send it to you.
        • Apr 3 2011: That is the thing. When I exam the people (& things?) I do have faith in for whatever reason, it’s not blind faith. They, or we, have worked on, or solved something, or come through for each other, in some way shape or form, in a time of need in the past. It’s not blind faith.

          I can imagine a belief in God can be come about the same way. That is if one were in need for some reason, concrete or abstract, and found solace in a belief in God that relieved one of their stress, then one could have faith in God. For them it would not be blind faith. As I haven’t had such an experience with God, I don’t have faith and don’t believe. It’s not something one could take someone else’s word for. At least I can’t.

          (I didn’t buy original sin, or the rest of the catechism, in the first grade. And I went to Catholic school!)
        • Apr 3 2011: I totally agree with you, Ben! C.S. Lewis has been the greatest source of inspiration concerning my faith. I especially like 'Mere Christianity'.
      • Apr 4 2011: I understand. Christians talk about accepting God as a fulfillment. If your cup is already full, what's the reason in looking for something to fill it up? I've just found that "overflowing" feels better. That's all I can say.

        (And that's funny, because a lot of my non-believer friends seem to have gone to catholic school too. What do they teach in there!!? Pounding religion into kids doesn't seem very useful haha)

        Austin: Yeah I really enjoy his stuff. If you want a really good read, pick up Severe Mercy by Sheldon Vanauken. And there's never enough C.S. Lewis to read.
        • Apr 4 2011: >(And that's funny, because a lot of my non-believer friends seem to have gone to catholic school too. What do they teach in there!!? . . .<

          For me, fear. Although that wasn't the reason for my disbelief of God. I couldn't resolve why God would create man so man could experience joy and happiness believing in God. That's the reason we were fed. Why would an omnipotent, omnipresent being need 'fans'?
      • Apr 4 2011: In scripture, it is stated our God is a jealous God (TED probably isn't the best place to quote the bible...sorry) I believe that he gave us choice (to be 'fans') because, in a universal understanding, what better feeling is there than being chosen over something else? Especially when something as heavy as 'life' is on the line.

        As far as experiencing joy and happiness, I believe something that might be a little "out there." I believe that we yearn for these happy and joyous moments. One would call these moments "timeless" moments, right? We strive for joy and happiness because it is timeless. This tells me that maybe we weren't made for a universe where time and matter coexist. Maybe we desire something that's not quantifiable... We were made to someday, be with God where time does not exist; Heaven.

        Just my belief, powered by faith. Please don't bash me for it. Yeah, you'll be able to find a lot of holes in my "reasoning" and say it's wrong. But where do you get the idea of right and wrong?...just and unjust?
        My two cents.
        • Apr 4 2011: Oh gosh Ben, I hope you don’t perceive me as ‘bashing’ you. That is not my intent. I’m just trying explain my perspective (because Drew asked), and perhaps contrast it with what I think the faithful have for believing in God. I’ve not meant any harm, if I have, I am sorry.

          If God is jealous, he’s/she’s (it’s?) not perfect. Why would a perfect being need to be chosen over something else?

          I yearn for “these happy and joyous moments” as well and have had them, I just don’t need a belief in God to have them.

          As far as accusing believers of being wrong, not from my lips. I'll say they're not logical, not rational, not scientific, sure. And if rationality is what I require, well that’s just one of the things that makes me, me. Whatever floats your boat is okay with me, so long as you don’t tell me how to float mine, force it on others, or cause me & others to suffer the consequences of believer’s irrational actions. As far as I’m concerned people can live anyway they want so long as they don’t step on anyone else’s toes.

          That’s basically my idea of right and wrong, and I don’t know where it comes from, but it doesn’t require a belief in God to have it.
      • Apr 5 2011: Oh no, not you Vincine. Just if anybody that read my post and felt the need to "bash."
        When I say that God is a "Jealous God," I'm quoting OT scripture. When the book of Exodus was written (which is where this verse is found) the words "jealous" and "zealous" went hand in hand. This translation holds true through the rest of the bible as well. So God is zealous: eager about protecting what is precious to Him. I think the gap between the meanings of "jealous" and "zealous" has grown since those times haha.

        I agree with not stepping on anyone else's toes as well. Choosing God is must be done by the individual. And that's it. You can't coerce or force people to believe. I think that many of the problems we've encountered here on earth have come from people that don't understand that concept...

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