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Primitive stupidity or vain self-destruction

The dried leaves are beautiful but dead. They rot, turn into food for the plants which give birth to their new leaves. But these new leaves are different from the old ones. Alive matter absorbing the organic energy of the dead matter.
The life takes care of the mass, the person is not a priority. Even if there is God, he certainly does not report only on one man. So God definitely does not wait for singular reports.
A human reincarnates as an energy but not as a personality or consciousness.
What I feel in this very moment, it is here, now and for me. “After” will never exist.
So am I obliged to be responsible or I am supposed to be an greedy egoist?
If indeed there is no justice after the death… Then the fear disappears, the morality is meaningless and the good loses its illusory value. The saints turn into fools and laughingstocks in the eyes of alcoholics like me, drunkards stammering incomprehensible in the bubbling ditches of life.
A man can not be of full value to himself during his lifetime. A man disappears after death. In a man there is no sense at all and the circle of life is even more greedy than us.
Fear or happiness…
Parenting or impulse…
Primitive stupidity or vain self-destruction…

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  • David Grammer

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    Jan 28 2013: Celebrate the innate selfishness of the individual organism. Nothing matters except what gives meaning to your life. Enjoy, explore, experience, reflect, change, choose, then start again. To get the most out of this process, keep in mind that the input and responses of other organisms are variables which you must take in to account to get the most out of your life. There are emotional equivalents of the Newtonian laws. Work within those laws and create the most fulfilling life you can imagine.
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      Plamen Chetelyazov

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      Jan 30 2013: If there are emotional equivalents of the material laws then there are emotional equivalents of the black holes and my country is one for sure. Now - I am not familiar with the question but as far as I know near black holes the material laws are different. The catastrophic standard of living matters to the enjoyment and exploration. The corruption matters to the experience. The penetrating aggression matters to the reflection. The condition of Bulgaria matters to the choices. The condition of our society does not matter to a start but it definitely determines its end.

  • carolyn mcauley 10+

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    Jan 19 2013: I get darkness,the heaviness of this mantle,the supreme effort it takes to remain humane when the compass is broken...even breath is painful..and yet...from amidst the shrunken heads in the heart of darkness,you remain...not an easily state of hibernation...but lifelines enter in all sizes and forms...pay close attention...justice and humanity are adjacent to your location,parallel even,.... One time,many times when it was crushing out my will,I focused on others...a homelesswoman between two buildings in a crevice,eating a meal....I caught a glimpse...I felt complete hopelessness...and yet a shaft of sunlight was on her...How was this sunlight any less beautiful,or warming to her...then for another..her food less nourishing,freedom less free? It is no less...so I reframed my view...What I thought about her was what was killing me...How do you get from there to here.?to be continued...Iwont blame anyone if this is not on topic

  • carolyn mcauley 10+

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    Jan 17 2013: hmmmmm..you sound more like a poet then a alcoholic...You may have accidently tainted your veiw of the world with your chosen drug...so the thread of your thoughts comes from a soul who is viewing this circle as pointless when it comes to good ,or effort...If you were to enlarge your data your conclusion would be less bleak.Quantum Physics for me is an interesting sub atomic veiw of our experience...there is more to reality then you were taught...perhaps eleven parralle universes,and 6 dimensions...therefore a lot is occuring that you have not included her in your opnion..I will give you one of my philosophical views...not proven but at face value I like it and it seems truish....When EVIL consumes the good,steals their resources and writes their names on all the accumulated wealth...It transforms itself,into a more civilized nation,calmer, richer,more liberal,so in fact when Evil consumes good ...they evolve...they become a better society...Now..yes the other culture is often completely ruined,violence, drug addiction,prostiution,extremisim,enters...all most as if they caught a virus from the invading force..not good...and here is the twist...they must retrace their ROOTS and reattach themselves to the goodness of ideas from which they grew....most other paths are too foreign and are not compatible to their culture...This is a huge psychic task to leave the post tralmatic stress of violent experience behind...and yet they know it once was theirs...each one of use has these memories...they are a path...hardship is on both sides...hard to suffer...hard to ressurect...So my question is...do you really know anything about your roots?
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      Plamen Chetelyazov

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      Jan 18 2013: I’ll take the poet suggestion as a compliment although I prefer to express myself in prose. As for the alcohol – I go too far sometimes but it definitely does not shape my daily round. „The saints turn into fools and laughingstocks in the eyes of alcoholics like me, drunkards stammering incomprehensible in the bubbling ditches of life” – it is rather a literary parallel trying to equalize the motivation of saints and alcoholics following the sense of auto-suggestion and illusion. Pretty close to what Mark Meijer said below: „There is no morality or justice as we think of it (good, evil, retribution), all is already just as it is (get the double take). Saints are fools, alcoholics are fools. There are no ditches of life, it's all the same movement.” Otherwise I have great interest in observing this „virus from the invading force” and I think that I do feel and know something about my roots. Actually my second prose is following this thread. It is called „Paranoia”, it was published in Bulgarian language in 2007 but you can find an uncouth English translation if you excuse my impudence and if you think it is worth reading…

  • Random Chance 30+

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    Jan 14 2013: Self, self, self.
    Myself, self-aware.
    Selfish or selfless?

    Sounds selfish to me.
    Everyone is like a drop of water falling from the sky into the vast one-ness of ocean, where they will merge effortlessly and selflessly with all of it.
    Yet, as they fall, each one cries out, "I gotta be me!"

    Christianity as I understand it.

    What is the difference between Jesus dying at the end of time, or at the beginning?
    At the end, there will be judgment.
    At the beginning, everything to follow has already been forgiven for that is what Christianity is based on: forgiveness.

    The tomb was empty, thus forgiveness was granted and freedom from the grave (death) was the given gift.
    Doesn't matter in that realm what one does, it has all been forgiven and that is the meaning of the true power of life.
    One can do whatever one wants. There is no karma.

    Self-awareness also contains a prison.
    The only way out is selflessness, no self.

    There is no real moral nature to anything in life.
    If there is, it is in how we treat one another.

    We are like gods but we are not gods.

  • Zman Kietilipooskie

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    Jan 13 2013: If there is no "final justice" you can still have justice to make our world the best possible place to exist for the time we are alive. To equate some escaping our laws to laws being pointless just does not make sense.

    Responsibility is for those who recognize the importance of cooperation, which is necessary for a peaceful society.

    And for Alcoholism and other addictions, you are blinded by your senses (drugs are an illusion of joy); there is no life after death so make life the best you can

  • Mark Meijer 100+

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    Jan 12 2013: Here's my own incomprehensible stammering in primitive stupidity. Living matter and dead matter is not different. Birth and death is not different. Energy is not generated or absorbed, existence is simply movement. Everything is always already here now. There are no obligations. There are no shoulds and shouldn'ts. There is no morality or justice as we think of it (good, evil, retribution), all is already just as it is (get the double take). Saints are fools, alcoholics are fools. There are no ditches of life, it's all the same movement.

    Value does not exist, greed does not exist, man does not exist, time does not exist, the circle of life is a recurring game without stakes that can never be diminished. Fear of what? Happiness of what? Primitive as opposed to what? Stupid as opposed to what? If you cling to fantasies of what never was, what is will never be enough. Only fantasy can live up to fantasy. That is vain self-destruction. What is holding on to the fantasy? What is letting go?

    - "By the way this is not a theological debate. It was supposed to be one about working ideals. It seems that mentioning the religion usually press the words."

    Ideals working to what end?

    - "The self-awareness is exactly what provokes such questions."

    What you call self-awareness is not self-awareness. It is fantasy awareness, and we are the fantasy. It is awareness of story-telling, and we buy into the stories. Awareness raises no questions, fantasies do. We do. Self does. Ego does. Conceptual thought coupled with emotional investment.
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    Gail . 50+

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    Jan 12 2013: You asked, "So am I obliged to be responsible or I am supposed to be an greedy egoist?"

    You are not obliged to do or be anything. But if you want to live a quality life, you will choose to be self-aware. Then, much of what you write about becomes rather meaningless.
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      Plamen Chetelyazov

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      Jan 12 2013: I am not agreeing with you. The self-awareness is exactly what provokes such questions. Maybe if you are a self-aware individual in the US it is just enough to have a quality life. Trust me – in Bulgaria it is a completely different story. Self-awareness means life sentence in the poorest and most corrupted country in the EU. By the way – my words are running to extremes but they do not determine my lifestyle. As I said to Peter - I am just wandering in the dark. And it is quite dark here. But I do not expect you to understand.

      • Yuri Gomez

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        Jan 15 2013: Well, you could find the energy to get out of the darkness and help others to do it. There is a lot of people sharing his findings and experiences. but listening is the first thing you have to do!
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          Plamen Chetelyazov

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          Jan 16 2013: How do you find the energy? How do you help others? Whose findings and experiences? What makes you think that I am not listening?

      • Yuri Gomez

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        Jan 16 2013: Experiences are different for each one, keep searching. If you are listening, listen more. until your limits are reached!
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    Plamen Chetelyazov

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    Jan 12 2013: By the way this is not a theological debate. It was supposed to be one about working ideals. It seems that mentioning the religion usually press the words.

  • george lockwood 20+

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    Jan 12 2013: Sounds like a combination of the Rig Veda and the Mahabaratu and Kiyanastsi. Makes sense to me - what else can you have Of course, there is the old song "Is That All There Is?" Maybe when one does this it is only projection.
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    Ken brown 30+

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    Jan 12 2013: Anyone seen anyone come back from necrotic death to say yay or nay?
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      Peter Law 30+

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      Jan 12 2013: Why do you think Jesus Christ caused such a stir?

      :-)
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        Ken brown 30+

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        Jan 15 2013: Wasn't it Lazarus? or the young girl that was only recently dead?

        Christ was only seen by a few not the whole city.

        I should of said "Zombie" as we both know necrotic means zero return for us unless.......
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    Peter Law 30+

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    Jan 11 2013: ....
    ""If indeed there is no justice after the death… Then the fear disappears, the morality is meaningless and the good loses its illusory value. The saints turn into fools and laughingstocks in the eyes of alcoholics like me, ""

    You may make laughingstocks of the saints in this life. However, at death, there are only two possibilities.
    1) They are wrong, but neither they, nor you, will know about it; or
    2) They are correct & vindicated,& you are humiliated.
    Either way; the saints have it...
    Matthew 16:26 (KJV)
    26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

    Why take the chance ?

    :-)
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      Plamen Chetelyazov

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      Jan 12 2013: I am not saying that malice and egoism are the right choice. I call it “vain self-destruction” – the choice of today's capitalism. And I do not make laughingstocks of the saints – I respect the idea of their self-denial and abstention. But if their devotion is devotion to a lie it is a “primitive stupidity”. I am not categorical, not at all. I am just wandering in the dark.
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        Peter Law 30+

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        Jan 12 2013: I'm with you on the vain self-destruction. Many squander the gift of life on foolishness; alcoholism is one obvious symptom of a more general disease. Whether or not an afterlife exists, this life deserves our best shot. Although many folks have a really hard time, & cannot be blamed for despairing, many others get caught up in laziness & self-indulgence.
        If sainthood (Normally associated with Christianity) is indeed primitive stupidity, then I would also agree with you. My personal experience is that it is neither stupid or primitive. I have found that it is the complete explanation for our existence, explains why modern life is as it is, explains what will happen next, & holds out the promise of a future utopia. Surprisingly due to our creator being murdered on a wooden cross.
        As a bonus; it's the best cure for alcoholism I've encountered.

        Revelation 21:3-5 (KJV)
        ""And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. [4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.""

        :-)

  • Scot Wilcox 10+

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    Jan 11 2013: You're absolutely right. If there's no God and no afterlife, it doesn't really matter what you do. There is no right and wrong. There is no point. Just do what you want and have fun doing it.
    However, I don't believe any of that. I actually know there is a God and He does know you personally. I know there is a purpose to life, and I also know what it is. I know there's an afterlife. You can know too. If you want to know how, send me an email. If you don't, that's fine too. It's your life, you have complete freedom to do what you want. But why not be happy about it?
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