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Hypothetical assumption...
Regardless of accumulated assumptions, combined with study of the Earth, could it be possible that we are wrong in understanding ourselves.
Acknowledging that after thousands of years we still have no concrete answers yet carry the arrogance that would assume we do based on new assumptions.
Furthermore, if you could define the characteristics of a cancer, would one of them be ignorance?
Would the characteristics mimic mankind, self absorbed, self righteous, self denying, destructive to both itself and its environment (the only thing keeping it alive).
Would you define the assimilation of good cells to follow bad cells as a characteristic of humans convincing others to follow its ignorance?
If our vanity is correct, why are we accomplishing the opposite.
If knowledge explained that we are sheep, is that not true? And is that not a catalyst for failure?
Could we be the creators of the big bang's we teach ourselves about? And if so, how would we achieve this, could it be via the creation of black holes? And could this be achieved by awakening a dark matter which immediately begins to absorb with the vanity that we can control its actions?
And if we are this chemical reaction (thought) and did achieve our endless goals of being responsible for the expansion of the universe, would it include a explosion, pieces traveling through space (meteor showers) eventually landing on fertile soil and through evolution begin our journey carrying the knowledge that we descended from the dust of the last meteor which carried our genes to the next phase?
Would vanity be enough to block ourselves from acknowledging this?
And finally, if so, should we continue and therefore stop caring about hurting ourselves for the sake of its continuance, since the two appear to go hand in hand?
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Mark Meijer 100+
"Whenever there are two, I am in your midst." -- Maya
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Maybe the books tell a different story but I could not understand any of them...it was if like allot of folks that have discovered that we are at the end of our social ropes. they cut the tie and float off like a balloon (attempting to by pass the need to turn around and walk backwards to the beginning then walk again with knowledge of what is instead of the unknown and self taught method that spawn us). The end result loosing themselves into a delusional world which may or may not exist. As we all know there are those that have separated their essence or spirit and travel outside their bodies and have accomplished this through deep meditation...now arguably if that can be or not is the question as is if I take hallucinate drugs and see spirit a person without the detachment mechanism can not does that mean it is not real and possibly to see such magnificent we need to detach somehow as we are in a controlled mutation of interpretation...but wow your words/interpretation of his books do not resonate or appear to repeat on that site, it appears that they (as mentioned) broke away from the contempt of taught thought out of desperation/delusion and are now floating around...good or bad...that is an individual call, so it is good that they understand the truth regarding manipulated opinion(using your definition as my base for that assumption) but losing yourself to spite the truth about man is another...just as science studies matter, there is a truth...I will always challenge those too find it...if they stop arguing and test my theory in conversation all the answers are there...magically all we need to survive is to change that focus not cut the ties that bind us to it...or at least anchor oneself before you cut..
I also saw a very scary word used and it was suggested his thoughts to be similar to Scientology...and that is some f't up shit by what I can put together
Mark Meijer 100+
I found the books to be very straight forward and clear and cutting right through it all, especially the first one. You may not like it, or you may. I'm not sure exactly what you just tried to tell me, mate, but all those things you seem so sure of may also be cut right through. If you see the merit of that, you'll probably appreciate the book very much. But if you don't like your precious certainties undermined, then you might not like it.
The reason I recommended it to you is because I got the impression that you're very dissatisfied with all the nonsense you see around you and you want to get out of the morass. I can only speak for myself, as to what I want and as to what helped me, and with that in mind, Jed's books were priceless to me. Your mileage may vary.
Mark Meijer 100+
Like I said, you wouldn't want to get stuck with any of it (and it's ALL nonsense in the end), which is why Jed introduces his guiding principle in the books: Further. But you'll pass through and examine it all nonetheless (I don't mean the forum specifically, I just mean the unusual in general - just forget about the forum, it came much later than the books and is not significant in any way).
And you'll stick around for a while at various places. But you'll always want to be going further. That is, if that's what you want. That's the process, there's no way around it. There's no way around a morass if you're already standing in the middle of it and looking for a way out.
Mark Meijer 100+
Btw... All assumptions are hypothetical. All understanding is wrong. All concreteness is misplaced. The cancer of ignorance is not lack of true knowledge, but attachment to false knowledge. Vanity is never correct, because it is the denial of fear. Nothing within creation creates anything or absorbs anything or controls anything. Beware the trap of conceptual proliferation, more is less. Delusion is reification.
"Truth is that which cannot be simpler, cannot be further reduced." -- Jed McKenna
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Gail . 50+
What are we? Re are creators and co-creators. To be understood, I often call us gods (but if all are/is gods, then do gods exist? No. The word becomes meaningless). You don't need any ancient texts to confirm this. You can test it yourself. The proof will become self-evident and undeniable.
Conscious creators are first and foremost self-aware. They know what they are thinking, emoting, feeling, speaking, & doing. They have also pursued an examination of their beliefs, and they have removed most contradictions (i.e. Wealthy = good but money is the root of all evil), they have tested their assumptions (i.e. I am inferior/powerless/etc) and have discarded those beliefs that are interfering with their lives. They do this because they know that beliefs form the fabric of our realities.
Information on how to consciously create your own reality is all over the web, but avoid those who charge money for that knowledge. They don't understand it fully. If they did, they would know that there is no reason to charge. (But we are all on a journey and they are on theirs).
When you have manifested things so that your power is undeniable TO YOU, then start manifesting events. Start small with things because if you want wealth and don't know why you don't have it now, you will find it extremely difficult to manifest it.
At some point, you will meet yourself as your ideal and will consciously control your manifestations. Those who don't know how powerful they are are generally sheeple who allow others to control their realities. We are all creating all the time. This being the case, be aware of what you are creating.
This isn't a religion. I know of no organization for people like me, but we are a growing number globally. We all reached the same conclusions via different routes.
Gail . 50+
Your scenerio looks at the outside world. Manifestors look at the inside world, and in this way manipulate the outside world.
So yes, people are not aware of WHAT they are and are blinded by their untested assumptions.
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Sounds similar to a group that calls themselves something like "association for better living" ?, They are or were a local group associated with an American origin, they like most groups spoke against religion but used it as an example, to the extent (as all others) as organizing themselves the same way as a religion.
Their book spoke of self empowerment, we are our own gods and so on...I dated a girl at the time who swore by it (ironically when I asked her about it she could not explain the principles of the group she just believed), so I went and quickly realized the hypocrisy, however she wanted me to take their classes they offered so I did, and ever sentence caused me to question and low and behold the teachers could not answer, the class told me they enjoyed me questioning the lessons but the girl friend flipped out as I was challenging her beliefs which she could not answer herself.
So yes there are beliefs, things like this are based on self improvement, in general those that follow have esteem problems or argue religion.
As per manipulation that is again a self induced reality but there is no way to manipulate what is, it just is and either you can grasp or you follow those who argue or deny it, out of confusion, naivety or simply ignorance that the answers do exist.
And your last sentence sums it up wonderfully...now stating what you did suggests that you have a understanding of the "what"...can you offer this to me?
In conclusion of my story, I was asked by one of the leaders if I had any questions, I said no as when I ask questions people get mad, he laughed and assured me I was just asking the wrong person...so i said ok, in your book you use Jesus as an example, but he humbled himself before God (which they did not)...well he started stuttering and said well what about Martin Luther King...I replied but he was a christian...and he snapped and started screaming about being closer to god than jesus and...see next column...
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well right there confirmed something I have always known about humans...those with self esteem issues (the majority of people, which is the result of a suppressed society) go through life looking for strength, these types of groups like religions allow people to become a part of something which garners them strengths they never had and they hide those insecurities behind the belief system of the group...so when questioned they come unraveled as the challenge to their beliefs becomes painful as it uncovers that buried insecurity,,,so I am used to emotional responses... so when I receive a response such as yours I find it relaxing, so thank you...
and again can you define the "what"...
Also, I know when I write and others respond, they do not always pick up on what my intent was, so if I missed yours please reiterate...I will and can follow...
Gail . 50+
What are we? Re are creators and co-creators. To be understood, I often call us gods (but if all are/is gods, then do gods exist? No. The word becomes meaningless). You don't need any ancient texts to confirm this. You can test it yourself. The proof will become self-evident and undeniable.
Conscious creators are first and foremost self-aware. They know what they are thinking, emoting, feeling, speaking, & doing. They have also pursued an examination of their beliefs, and they have removed most contradictions (i.e. Wealthy = good but money is the root of all evil), they have tested their assumptions (i.e. I am inferior/powerless/etc) and have discarded those beliefs that are interfering with their lives. They do this because they know that beliefs form the fabric of our realities.
Information on how to consciously create your own reality is all over the web, but avoid those who charge money for that knowledge. They don't understand it fully. If they did, they would know that there is no reason to charge. (But we are all on a journey and they are on theirs).
When you have manifested things so that your power is undeniable TO YOU, then start manifesting events. Start small with things because if you want wealth and don't know why you don't have it now, you will find it extremely difficult to manifest it.
At some point, you will meet yourself as your ideal and will consciously control your manifestations. Those who don't know how powerful they are are generally sheeple who allow others to control their realities. We are all creating all the time. This being the case, be aware of what you are creating.
This isn't a religion. I know of no organization for people like me, but we are a growing number globally. We all reached the same conclusions via different routes.
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Lejan . 30+
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Interesting reply...what about the rest?
Lejan . 30+
The fact that human are destructive to themselves and their environment is no reason to generalize about them or even consider some of them to be eliminated. If you think this way, you may not be surprised if people choose not to listen to the whistle you are blowing, as you could be nothing but just another wolf in sheep's clothing.
What do you do instead and in an appropriate manner to inform your own species about the changes which need to be done for their own sake?
You got to win hearts instead of blaming them, if this change towards a better behavior is what you are wishing for; otherwise you are just another voice of pessimists who shout 'the end is near' since the beginning of our culture.
So what is your plan and what will work to really change for a better?
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So what will change...the truth with out emotional opinion....i believe there is a truth and can be discovered by taking everything we know and putting it in place, as I never add I only interpret everything that has already been taught...or atleast that is my attempt...obviously on sites there is a huge need or desire to express which general excludes listening so I attempted to remove my explination and innitiate thought by asking questions but still that did not work...i thought people would read and attempt to discuss possibilities instead of looking only for similar ideas, those that will console them...so not sure what TED is all about...it appears loaded but not with those searching as I assumed...
An example of this puzzle I put together is, evolution, metoer, man appears carrying the understanding it rose from the dust and talking big bangs and black holes...so my rational mind tells me we were on that meteor and where do meteors come from...big bangs and there just so happens to be evidence on the moon of a meteor shower the same time as the one that hit the earth and covered it in dust...as for the black hole I am led to believe is the catalyst with which we create big bangs and realize that it comes from messing with dark matt
Lejan . 30+
Yet as we all know, knowing about the right thing to do and finally doing it, is often a difficult task, sometimes to often, yet any day and all of us can finally start as soon as we feel ready for it.
So I do not agree on your thought, that '..if we let individual opinion decide the truth we would never achieve an answer', as the basic answer how we should treat our environment, our very planet is already known. We 'just' not act accordingly, so to find any change the reasons why it is this way, would be key to solve our problem...
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Even now as I read your words, in my mind I already answered it, but obviously I did not explain it. So now I am confused as to how to break down centuries of suppression and its side effects which to me are simple to understand.
Take an individual who assumes leadership through violence, he accepts no responsibility for his actions and is completely self centered. Now this person is in charge of the distribution of knowledge. He teaches how to give, what the truth is regarding life, god and the earth. If his disciples do not agree they are abanduned or shunned.
Now take another individual who assumes leadership through intelligence, he accepts the same authority but teaches the need to assume responsibility but does not change the rules created by the first (I refer to this as the band-aid effect). The ideals put in place regarding life, god and the earth are left as is because it helps to guarantee he remains in power as that is how and why they were written in the first place.
So two different leaders, same world, one speaks against all backed by physical strength, the other a softer hand but speaking words of wisdom but not putting them into practice. Now as time moves on these self righteous rules of guidance hurt or exclude some of the people.
Now all ignorance spawn by these actions. My challenge to anyone is to determine if it was out of design or naivety based hunger.
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Although some have challenged one aspect of reason, that being God's existence (based on the manipulation of its description more so the reality of its existence), they unknowingly argued the naive description based on the origin of thought itself used to do the calculation (then as all things it became tarnished by the will of man).
Note; although the study of God (earth) is a digression, ironically jumping back before man arrived but not assessing the characteristics of that first walk...and instead of redefining it, it challenged the description only.
So before we go any further, you must digress to an evolutionary period of the origin of thought. Imagine thought without memory! Absolutely everything is new, similar to an unborn child except no guidance what so ever. Except for that which was observing us (pointing up to a God)with the message of creating this for us and choosing a group to lead, characteristics took care of the rest!
Fear would have been the catalyst which generated or directed all reason...if you can achieve this observation you can walk forward with all the answers and you will conclude that the one that created us is not the one that gave us life and by its example defines love which we feel we are naturally apart of...but sadly we are not monkeys, we are an uninvited guest who was told when we landed and began to form...I unconditionally accept all (anything that lands on me stays)...but the inspirations (energy (spirit) that flows through) of knowledge was over rid by thought itself (walking away)...
Clearer? You want answers...begin with a clean slate...
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