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Education "vouchers" solve the fiscal crisis, and also lead to economic recovery?

Simply open up K-12 education to the market place, with government only playing a role by financing the students with a yearly education check of $8000.

*www.usagovernmentspending.com shows American local governments spending $458.3 billion for K-12 education in 2012.
*(Sir Ken Robinson says this education system is a complete failure)
*The new education cost of $8000 education check to 50 million K-12 students is $400 billion per year
*This saves $58.3 billion
*(a $6000 check would save $158.3 billion)
*The yearly education check allows students(and their parents) to choose how, when, where, and what they learn, and also who teaches them
*The yearly education check of $8000 opens up a $400B/year market to entrepreneurs, teachers, and creatives
*($6000 check opens up a $300B/year market to entrepreneurs, teachers, and creatives)

State fiscal crisis solved, federal fiscal crisis solved, and the new education market leads America's economic recovery.

Thoughts everyone?

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  • Jan 16 2013: If tax payers are going to fund private education, don't we have a right to expect value for our money? That is, a right to expect a curriculum that prepares students for a 21st century economy? One that includes teaching science?

    Should the private schools that receive tax payer dollars be subject to curriculum certification from the state?

    The correct answers are all yes, but let's hear what you all have to say....
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      Jan 16 2013: No not at all, the government has killed this country with what it has done to public education and there is no reason to believe that the government would not turn private schools equally as destructive as they have done to public schools.
      • Jan 16 2013: If you don't have specific expectations from an education system, how can you claim it is failing?

        The obvious answer is that you can't.
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          Jan 17 2013: The US schools poor ranking in the world is such common knowledge, giving proof seemed redundant.

          But if you need proof just Google "US school world ranking".
      • Jan 19 2013: "The US schools poor ranking in the world is such common knowledge, giving proof seemed redundant."

        And yet, that would obviously require a measurement standard.... I am fine with public schools not doing so well in comparison around the globe, but if we are going to pretend that private schools are the answer, then they must be held to the exact same standard, and must be able to live up to the same test.
      • Jan 20 2013: @Petar,

        "Brock, here are statistics you have refused to acknowledge or read: "

        Tragic numbers, naturally. However, to say that the Dept. of Education has failed, fails to acknowledge that it's mission to educate EVERYBODY means that there will be failures. Not every family is capable of supporting and fostering an environment of learning. Educated parents tend to lead to educated children. It has only been 3 generations since the civil rights movement and the desegregation of schools. Change of that nature takes time and can be slow going.

        It is only a matter of time before we see those numbers improve.

        But, to get back on topic...Public education still costs half the price of a similar private education. Vouchers are a bad idea.
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      Jan 16 2013: The one point that has been passed over though out this discussion that you have addressed is the use of...Taxpayers Dollars! We have been using TPD to fund public education for a long time. Now, in the examination of education, we taxpayers are not getting a good ROI.
      1st question is: do taxpayers deserve a good ROI?
      If yes and in the matter of education,
      2nd question is: can we get a better a ROI from a voucher system?
      So far, in most of the responses and doing the math, the cost side is a little weak in the accounting.
      Now, most of the discussion has been on the quality of education in commercial vs. public education.
      Understandably, but unless the dollars get worked out, we could be discussing living in a smart broke country or a dumb rich country. So any accountants to weigh in?
      • Jan 16 2013: Mike,
        For Pennsylvania, vouchers would reduce education fees by 50%!

        The voucher programs running show that parents are more satisfied with school choice, schools that children choose are less segregated, it saves money, kids do better, improves public schools.

        Government is especially failing in regard to inner city schools, minorities, and the poor. I don't have the drop out statistics link, nor the link for ~70% of minorities supporting vouchers. The lat real stronghold against vouchers comes from the rich and the elitist (whites) who want the poor and minorities to stay put in their zipcode.
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          Jan 16 2013: Petar,
          I have heard that there could be economic benefits from voucher programs. Where I am unsettled is that to effect a reduction in fiscal pressures on the local, state and federal governments, some monies will not be expended on education and used (wasted) elsewhere.
          Truism: Politicians like nature abhor a vacuum.
          In a voucher system, there will be parents who will see to an outstanding education for their children. There will be "parents" who will not and may even appropriate the voucher funds.
          In short order, there will be an outcry to save these children, committees will be formed, offices rented, administrators hired to fill the void left by the loss of public schools to get these children educated. These positions will be filled by the former public school administrators, who will soon enough find a way to expend all the monies saved by using vouchers.
          I know I am a cynic.

          PS,, Why is the Federal government in the K - 12 anyway????
        • Jan 16 2013: Petar said: "For Pennsylvania, vouchers would reduce education fees by 50%! "

          And private schools would STILL cost on average, 250% more than those vouchers... and 500% more for the really good private schools. Even in Pennsylvania, it is obvious that government can do it more efficiently, all while having transparent standards

          http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/06/22/private-school-tuition-hits-the-stratosphere-40-000-per-year/
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          Jan 16 2013: Private schools are very expensive... don't know, just saying but not many really rich kids out there to go to private schools, unit cost stuff, but if thousands of kids hit the market, the unit cost should fall dramatically. Just saying.
      • Jan 17 2013: Mike,
        my guess is that once vouchers are passed, the K-12 parents will vote for higher amounts of redistribution of wealth through education funding, effectively taking money away from the politicians. For federal government, yeah they need to stay out

        Brock, your spam has been refuted several times by multiple posters.

        Here are the links again:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbMJtQL5ew
        "Let me see if I can summarize: parents are more satisfied with school choice, schools that children choose are less segregated, it saves money, kids do better, improves public schools... why would anyone be against this?"

        What don't you understand about economies of scales and competition?

        That two week old account of yours sure qualifies you to judge the readership of TED conversations. Good one!
        • Jan 19 2013: "Brock, your spam has been refuted several times."

          Not by you, or anybody for that matter...Vouchers do not save money for the taxpayer. The average cost for private school is twice that of public school with zero measurable improvements in performance... (given that private schools are not required to meet any curriculum standards.)

          Your problem, Petar, is that you think the ted readers are dumb. They are not.
    • Jan 16 2013: Vouchers by definition are public education because the government is funding the education. Parents putting money on top just creates a ratio.

      Students can choose to give their voucher to the public school they are already going to. They could even chose to use their vouchers to attend schools opened by the Department of Defense or by other arms of government.

      What vouchers do is change how education is funded. Instead of giving politicians money and funding schooling top down through layers of bureaucracy, the funding comes grass roots from the bottom up by giving the money and choice to the parents and students.
      • Jan 17 2013: "Vouchers by definition are public education because the government is funding the education."

        This is exactly why we, as tax payers, have a right to expect transparent standards and a curriculum that prepares students for a 21st century economy from private schools that receive tax dollars.
        • Jan 17 2013: America is "We the people" not "We the taxpayers". Much like politicians, aristocrats, and the ruling elite that believe they know what's best for everyone else, you are just chomping at the bit to find some way to shove your standards and values down everyone else's throat. What is it about individual liberty that you don't understand Brock? You are going to tell the Native Americans to conform to your White man values too? You already dodged the question about freeing slaves being a good decision, which speaks volumes.
      • Jan 19 2013: "You are going to tell the Native Americans to conform to your White man values too?"

        You are getting desperate. Private schools cost more than twice as much as public education, with no measurable difference in performance. Your entire ted conversation is an epic fail.

        "You already dodged the question about freeing slaves being a good decision, which speaks volumes."

        Freeing the slaves was a great thing...Now you can't use that BS argument anymore...You lose. The problem with you is that you actually think people are stupid. They are not. Most actually read my comments, and get that you are grasping at straws. You harm your own arguments and don't even realize it.

        TED readers can read all of my posts. Not one of them ever talked about slaves. You have now PROVEN yourself to be a liar.
        • Jan 20 2013: Now you answer the question after being called out.

          So freeing the slaves was a great thing, yet Americans should be slaves to a government education system? And the poor and de-facto ethnic minority communities should be forced to go to schools within their own zip code? That's still racist, Brock.

          What is it about individual liberty that you don't understand?
      • Jan 21 2013: "What is it about individual liberty that you don't understand?"

        You are more than welcome to spend your own money on a religious education. However, giving the poor a diploma that may as well be written on toilet paper doesn't help anybody. Private schools have no transparent curriculum standards. Sending kids to a school that will graduate kids for simply attending isn't a solution.

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