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Education "vouchers" solve the fiscal crisis, and also lead to economic recovery?

Simply open up K-12 education to the market place, with government only playing a role by financing the students with a yearly education check of $8000.

*www.usagovernmentspending.com shows American local governments spending $458.3 billion for K-12 education in 2012.
*(Sir Ken Robinson says this education system is a complete failure)
*The new education cost of $8000 education check to 50 million K-12 students is $400 billion per year
*This saves $58.3 billion
*(a $6000 check would save $158.3 billion)
*The yearly education check allows students(and their parents) to choose how, when, where, and what they learn, and also who teaches them
*The yearly education check of $8000 opens up a $400B/year market to entrepreneurs, teachers, and creatives
*($6000 check opens up a $300B/year market to entrepreneurs, teachers, and creatives)

State fiscal crisis solved, federal fiscal crisis solved, and the new education market leads America's economic recovery.

Thoughts everyone?

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  • Jan 18 2013: i mean it's fine to choose as long as they're making the choice from expert advice and nothing else. politicians are incapable *by themselves* that's why they are at liberty to form panels of advisers, and having that expert advice at their disposal makes them capable.

    i don't benefit from a government monopoly at all and i do have to compete against other teachers, if i don't properly prepare my students for university and beyond, by school will have to answer to the education department and nobody will get raises. the point is that they will tell us to shape up, but they won't tell us *how* to shape up (and why should they, they are desk workers not teachers), which is important. we also are required to attend yearly conferences at both state and national level to ensure educational standards are kept as high as possible *at every school*.

    education should be judged based on student success, not on popularity or appeal, and parents and students just aren't in a position to make that judgement, it would be like asking airline passengers to judge safety rather than the mechanics who actually look at the airplane parts and understand how they work. some private schools here get chosen because their school uniform is good-looking! i am honestly not making that up! do you think schools deserve to get additional funding because their uniform is cool?
    • Jan 19 2013: Student success is a great idea...Which schools prepare students for college is my idea of the right standard. Private schools that cost $8,000(given that the known successful ones cost $40,000 per year) have yet to prove that they measure up...
      • Jan 20 2013: Back that up with facts and links with the evidence supporting your claim, else you are just lying again.

        The link you have already spammed about elite New York private schools is disingenuous, and does not provide any evidence towards your claim of "Private schools that cost $8,000(given that the known successful ones cost $40,000 per year) have yet to prove that they measure up... " So please do not spam that one again
    • Jan 20 2013: Ben,
      I want to be clear that we are talking about Japan, and if the Japanese government gave the citizens individual liberty to choose their own education. We are not talking about America or the UK.

      So in Japan, parents choose schools based on uniforms, just like how people judge books on their covers. Because the parents value nice uniforms, schools start trending towards nice uniforms to attract the parents. Is there methodology prioritizing education first? No, but that's the consequence of their decision. The educational results will be seen at the end of the year, and if the parents do not like the results, they can try another school that has good looking uniforms.

      The same exact example of this is found in vegetable sections of supermarkets. The more aesthetically pleasing fruits and vegetables are bought despite the taste. If it tastes bad, the buyers will be cautious buying from that stack again. So test scores and educational improvements revealed at the end of the week, month, year are factors that parents would take into consideration when choosing to continue or discontinue the education service they are using.

      Japan has a history, culture, and people from all other societies. Is a ruling elite herding Japanese sheep best for them? Maybe the Japanese elders all think that, and the youth thinks that once they are old and the system starts favoring them. You live in Japan, so you know more about the Japanese than I do. There will always be people who will be better off with a ruling elite making decisions for them. Maybe the Japanese fit into that category.

      America is predicated on individual god-given rights: life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And education vouchers are a big improvement in getting towards those three things compared to the current government controlled and mandated education system.
      • Jan 20 2013: "So in Japan, parents choose schools based on uniforms..."

        Really? You think the Japanese are that absurd in their decision making process? That is simply ridiculous.

        You watch too many movies.
        • Jan 21 2013: actually some students do, yeah really! i've asked them myself. it what i mean about how it's a bad idea to give students the power to choose the way they are taught. it's an extreme case i know, and i don't mean all students will choose a school based on its uniform, but really what experience can students possibly draw from in order to know what they will need to know and where they should go to get the best education for them? better leave it in the hands of teachers, who are the only people who spend all day every day educating a huge variety of kids.
        • Jan 21 2013: page formatting making it hard to reply, please see below!
        • Jan 21 2013: yeah i agree, but i asked what you think about parents being involved in education policy. should parents be able to decide what kids learn and how they learn it? should school boards have the power to overrule teachers on things like textbooks and curriculum? and if so, under what basis would you deem them more competent than teachers in making those decisions?
          (reply to your post below)
      • Jan 21 2013: i'm not talking about japan, i'm talking about people anywhere.

        parents don't choose a school based on their uniform, but some students do. just think about your idea there - if the parents don't like the results at the end of the year they can choose another school - it's too late by that point, you're talking about a whole year of a child's development, and if they choose badly again next year too? you can't be enrolling all around the country all the time, that's why the best way is to make every school as good as it can possibly be, which means leaving it to the actual educators.

        i think u refute yourself with your apple analogy, remember that the best medicine tastes bitter! if you're choosing on appearance and taste, are you getting the best nutrition? are you also avoiding tasteless undesirables? there's a reason we goto restaurants, it's because chefs are really good at choosing food and cooking it. if we used the same food and the same recipe at home, of course it won't taste as good as when it's done by an expert. the same can be said for choosing education.

        from our discussion i'm getting the impression that your main objection is philosophical rather than rational - you don't like the idea that kids and parents not be in total control of the way they are educated - but that's actually a good thing. i'm not talking about japan or america or any place in particular, it's a usual, worldwide human thing to leave thing in the hands of professionals so you can have a better outcome. it's fine to put pilots in charge of flying the planes you ride, civil engineers in charge of designing the bridges you drive over, surgeons in charge of cutting you open, why not put teachers in charge of your education? of course they will take your own personal desires into account, and add to that their considerable expertise, which means that you get a much better education than you could have done if you were completely in charge.
        • Jan 21 2013: (responding to the post just above this one) "actually some students do, yeah really! "

          Naturally children make dumb choices, but my response wasn't about the kids choice, it was about the parents choice... My response started off with this quote from Petar:

          "So in Japan, parents choose schools based on uniforms..."

          note the word 'parents'
      • Jan 21 2013: right thanks for the clarification, wasn't sure if you were following petar's misunderstanding in what i was saying or not.

        interested on how you think about having parents involved in decisions regarding educational policy. do you think they too are apt to make dumb choices?
        • Jan 21 2013: Parents vote, for starters. They can also attend school board meetings, talk with teachers, etc...But the most important thing they can do, is ensure that their child is performing up to their expectations.

          Regardless of where a child goes to school, be it public or private, parents encouraging and demanding academic effort is the single greatest success factor by far.

          Another thing parents can do is take the time to understand what their children are learning in school. Rather than be upset that they are learning evolutionary theory, they should take the time to learn about it themselves from a scientific perspective. Naturally, I am not going to hold my breath while I wait for that to happen, but hope springs eternal....

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