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Provisional voting

A provisional ballot is used to record a vote when there are questions in regards to a given voter's eligibility. A provisional ballot would be cast when:
The voter refuses to show a photo ID (in regions that require one)
The voter's name does not appear on the electoral roll for the given precinct.
The voter's registration contains inaccurate or out-dated information such as the wrong address or a misspelled name.
The voter's ballot has already been recorded

In the above the reason for a provisional ballot is that the voter has violated or ignored regulations or laws in regard to voting.

The question boils down to why have rules, regulations, or laws if they can be avoided or worked around.

Do you favor this voting method?

Is it the voters responsibility to register properly and obey the laws?

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    Dec 20 2012: I think its a waste of time, the number of issues of this nature is beyond marginal.
    For example, between 2002-2005, out of 197,000,000 votes there were 40 speculated cases of voter fraud, only 26 ending in a conviction and/or guilty plea. (0.00000013%)
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fraud-real-rare/story?id=17213376#.UNNYliAV8bI

    All this does is increase time, energy, costs and paperwork.
    If theres any potential issue on the subject of voting, its those who count them.
  • Dec 21 2012: "Is it the voters responsibility to register properly and obey the laws?"

    It is the government's responsibility to make voting as accessible as possible to every potential voter. It is American national and local governments who neglect to make voter registration obsolete by using, for example, social security numbers to make voter lists (as many countries already do) and it's these same governments that issues IDs for its own services, without a photo on them (unthinkable in many countries) and it's also these governments that have say in whether or not people (including the disabled, single parents and people with jobs they have to be at) have to stand in line for hours.
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      Dec 21 2012: John, All rules, regulations, and laws are published and available upon request. There are no last minute changes. In this day and age it would be impossible to not find the answer to any question you have. Both parties make a push to register everyone who makes any effort at all or even some who do not seek assistance and even provide transport to vote..

      John your suggestion that the government is to blame and is at fault is consistant with those who desire a change of government. My view is consistant ..... get off your butt and go register ... take some responsibility for yourself ..... the government ain't your mom or dad .... grow up. Nuff said.
      • Dec 21 2012: "John, All rules, regulations, and laws are published and available upon request. There are no last minute changes. In this day and age it would be impossible to not find the answer to any question you have."

        What would I need answers to? I already know how voting works in the US and I know how it works in my country (and many others), my country's process is simply superior. We don' have long waiting lines, registration drives, voting computers or problems with IDs. We don't even have a discussion about provisional ballots because we simply have no need for them.

        "Both parties make a push to register everyone who makes any effort at all or even some who do not seek assistance and even provide transport to vote..."

        The mere fact that you view the two-party system as natural shows you haven't thought critically about the nature of voting and democracy. How about you answer me why voters in democrat districts in republican states have to wait 8 hours in line (how the F is transportation to it going to help you when you haven't gotten the day off, are disabled or have a child to attend to)? And can you also please explain to me how it's possible that some US state governments thought a non-picture ID was reliable enough to get social security and medicaid/medicare to, but not reliable enough use as ID when voting? Can you explain how it is that in the United States there even exist government issued IDs with no photo on them?
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    Dec 21 2012: Ohio has a good provisional ballot process. It came to light in the most recent election.

    Because of voter suppression tactics, many Ohio voters chose to bypass the 8-10 hour long lines in Democrat districts and go to Republican voting districts where there were no lines. There they showed photo ID and cast a provisional ballot which was then checked against voter registration logs before being counted.

    From what we saw in the last election, the way to fix the system is to make voting centers equal around the state. If there are 8-10 hour long lines in the cities, arrange it so that they are equally as long in rural areas where Republicans vote.

    Voter suppression is reprehensible.
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      Dec 21 2012: Perhaps you are right .... however, I ran a conversation about districts not casting a single vote republician and Ohio was part of the research. You can go to the individual precincts and it will list the total registered voters in the precinct and how they voted. I was amazed at how small the number of voters were in a precinct. Many in the single digits. That being so if the voters registered, carried the proper (required) ID, were on the rolls, and reported to their precinct, etc .... it would be impossible to have such back ups even if all voters showed in the same hour.

      In Arizona one pollling place was held for a hour while they went for more provisional ballots as they had ran out. Everyone still voted. The point is that if these people were properly registered, had proper ID, went to their regular poll, etc ... even they would not have been delayed. That poll had an excess of 400% voters who were not from that precinct.

      If there had been gerrymandering or voter supression it would have brought out the media sharks in a frenzy.

      As an Independent I compliment you on recognizing that republicans ran polls more efficiently than democrats ... perhaps democrats will study these more effective methods and next election they also will be efficient. It was generous of you to document this.
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        Dec 22 2012: Voter suppression WAS all over the media - except FOX News that was talking about the dangers of voter fraud which is a tiny tiny TINY fraction of votes cast.

        And as to Republicans running polls more efficiently than democrats - it is OBVIOUS that you have never volunteered to be a poll worker. You haven't a clue as to how elections are run.

        I don't know why you have to be so mean.

        EVERYONE should have equally fair ballot access and one party should not use state law to silence the voice of the majority of voters. That's probably why Republicans lost the presidential bid - because of intense voter backlash from those who were watching and who, in seeing the injustice and danger, voted for the first time

        Perhaps it's time to get over it.
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    Dec 21 2012: Daryl, How do we solve the problem as you see it of antiquated systems ... what is out there that is better and can assure us of accountability and security that is required.

    Second question is how can paper ballots crash?

    Third question: Is provisional voting voter fraud? If not what are you refering to.
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    Dec 20 2012: No I do not favor this approach and this is why. This and other proposals like it are not addressing the problem, they are attempting to mitigate the results or symptoms of the problem. The real issue is a system that has become antiquated and unable to support the needs of the current generations of voters. Not to mention if there were an abrupt increased turnout at the poles, something many of us would like to see happen, the system would crash. Voter fraud is just another scare tactic used to distract us from real issues on the broader subject of contemporary voting.
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      Dec 21 2012: Daryl, How do we solve the problem as you see it of antiquated systems ... what is out there that is better and can assure us of accountability and security that is required.

      Second question is how can paper ballots crash?

      Third question: Is provisional voting voter fraud? If not what are you refering to.