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Morgan Barnes

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.

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Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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  • Jan 14 2013: I will say this, the idea that something must be done to stop violent crime with illegally obtained firearms is something most will get behind. The idea that we in the United States will give up our guns because others in our country, or other countries, think we should, is just not going to happen. If it is truly the violence you wish to end, ideas must be thought about that will both keep our second amendment intact, and help solve the violence.All this back and forth serves no pupose, and you will never get most Americans to voluntarily give up our right that shall not be infringed.
    • Jan 14 2013: But Timothy, when there was an outcry years ago when Assault Weapons were banned...it all proved to be HYPE!! No one had their freedom taken away from them. And since the ban was lifted, look at how the numbers of shootings have risen...THEY CORRESPOND!!! Why is it that (some) Americans are so "hatefully" opposed to what has been done in the past? Because Rush and Hannity did not exist.
      • Jan 14 2013: I have looked at staistics from the CDC and others, and none of them show a rise in crime rates after the ban was lifted, this is pure hype. And the second amendment is written in two distinct parts.
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          Jan 14 2013: Timothy,
          You looked at statistics from the CDC? Center for Disease Control? You might want to look elsewhere for crime rates.

          Craig,
          All Americans are NOT "hatefully" opposed....I know you know that:>)
      • Jan 14 2013: Why does your side have to resort to name calling and adjectives describing our supposed [in your mind] intelligence? Is this the argument of someone who has a realissue to discuss?
      • Jan 14 2013: The CDC has statistics for all acidental deaths, and there's are above reproach. I could have easily used others, the fact is, no rise, just better publication.
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          Jan 15 2013: You are correct Timothy, the CDC has statistics for all accidental deaths. I'm not sure if that is the most updated information....
          Firearm homicides data for 2010...11,078
          (from the CDC site)
      • Jan 15 2013: Colleen, I went to the FBI site and saw that there was a dramatic drop in violent crimes after the ban was dropped. explain it to me? This was from 2004 to 2011 could it be possible that people owning guns caused the drop, or are you unwilling to even examine that possibilty?
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          Jan 15 2013: I'm willing to examine anything Timothy. Can you provide the link to that information? So far, much of the information you write about cannot be substantiated.
        • Jan 16 2013: There is a big difference between a drop in "Violent Crimes" and a rise in the number of Mass Executions at the Hands of Individuals with Particular Weapons. Violent Crime has seen a drop, but there has been a rise in the Frequency of Mass Shootings. The need for information about a Drop in Violent Crimes is Mute in this situation. There are many factors attributed to the drop in Violent Crimes.
      • Jan 16 2013: It is tough to find but here is one, this is not the original i saw.


        http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime
      • Jan 16 2013: Really, if all these guns being produced are to blame, I would expect to see higher numbers? Your whole premise is that fewer guns, less crime, I was pointing out that isn't true!

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