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Morgan Barnes

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.

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Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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    Jan 14 2013: I must be out of sync, can someone tell me isn't there laws on the books that already deal with gun control?

    Isn't there laws that require you to be a vetted gun owner to purchase online guns?
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      Jan 14 2013: Ken,
      As far as I know, there are no regulations or requirements for purchasing guns on line or at gun shows. In fact, I just heard a varification for this information on the news.
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        Jan 14 2013: I know about the gun show loophole which only favors the manufacturers not the retailers but if the 2nd has no vetted assessment then that's a problem as we had an incident of a gun collector that hid his weapons behind a false wall then one day lost the plot and started killing people, all purchased online. No, I'm sure there must be some sort of system to go through with purchasing online.
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          Jan 14 2013: I don't think so....try it!
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          Jan 15 2013: You can only pick up guns from certified FFL dealers after ordering on-line. They do not get sent to your house.
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        Jan 15 2013: I've never bothered to buy one here in Nz, They're for hunting and unless you are a sports shooter that belong to a gun club handguns are off the menu. Most of our gun related deaths are due to hunters shooting each other by accident ( Our bush is thicker than what most people think) or people shooting themselves or others by accident. It's not paradise or perfect as we do have gun crime but that's mostly from guns been stolen and the odd owner that has lost the plot or kids being silly with pellet guns and accidentally shoot each other or the next door neighbors window.
      • Jan 15 2013: Time for some more unemotional information...in all states, any sale by an FFL (federally licensed dealer) must include an FBI and usually a state background check, conducted by phone/computer.fax at the point of sale. This includes all gun shows. In many states, individual citizens who are not dealers can sell rifles or shotguns without a background check, whether at a gun show or in a home. However, generally you cannot sell a pistol without going through an FFL, which would entail a background check. When I gave a pistol to a daughter in another state, it went through an FFL in that state. I could have ignored the law and sent it directly, but I am a law-abiding citizen. When my son recently purchased a pistol at a dealer, he had to wait a day because of a backlog in the background check queue. When I gave my over/under shotgun to my son last year in person, no background check was involved. Some states will not permit individual transfers without dealer involvement. In the extreme, for example, when passing through Massachusetts, I tried to purchase some ammo at a good price, but could not because I did not have a resident permit. That is not typical in the US. Criminals ignore all of the laws. Hope the facts help focus discussion.

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