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Morgan Barnes

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.


Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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    Jan 14 2013: I am not a gun owner....yet. But, the arguments being made for the restrictions to purchase a gun (any gun) makes me consider much MUCH more the need to buy a gun before it can't be bought. I have never understood the rationale which suggests that bad people will ever adhere to a new gun law restricting their ability to obtain. The more my side (Democrats) push this idea of restricting lawful possession, the more I am inclined to rethink my political affiliations.

    It's simply impossible to enforce a ban on any specific gun. From 1994 to 2004 we tried it. It didn't work then, either.
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      Jan 14 2013: LB,
      You have succinctly said it all.
      There are people, too many, that use weapons, including guns to commit crime. Yet most emphasis to prevent these crimes is to put additional restrictions on legal purchase,etc of guns. I know I am not the sharpest tack in the box, but can someone explain that connection? Because the only way I can see this working is for the repeal of the 2nd, confiscation of every gun from everyone, making gun possession a capital offense. Then I could be convinced that gun violence would be pretty much eliminated. My confusion lies in the fact that in Switzerland, there are assault type weapons with large capacity magazines in large number of households, there are few "gun" violence activities there and almost none using the weapons from the household. In Chicago, Ill. and New York City, which are probably the size of Switzerland have guns laws up to there and nearly a thousand deaths attributed to guns this past year. Can someone explain that cause and effect? Maybe it is because the Swiss unlike Americans don't wallow in the culture of victimization.
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        Jan 14 2013: Mike,
        You say..."the only way I can see this working is for the repeal of the 2nd, confiscation of every gun from everyone, making gun possession a capital offense".

        I am not seeing that proposed in discussions of this issue in cities, states, or our federal government. Could this be a projection of what some people are afraid MIGHT happen? I ask, because I do not hear anyone suggesting repeal of the 2nd, or confiscation of every gun from everyone. This seems to be the fear which is expressed as a hypothetical conclusion?
        • Jan 14 2013: Colleen,
          You say that you do not hear anyone suggesting repeal of the 2nd amendment. Yet, the title of this conversation (written by Morgan) is "Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?"

          And many people here, Americans included, are proposing exactly that.
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        Jan 14 2013: Hi John,

        I'm aware of the conversation title, and I've said over and over again throughout this discussion, that I do not believe we need to repeal or amend the 2nd amendment because the constitution provides for "regulation". When we had the ban on assault weapons before, there was no repeal or amendment, as I recall.

        I see people on this thread, in the general public, local, state and federal representatives supporting the ban on assault weapons. I don't see too many proposing repeal or amending.

        What I said in my very first comment in this discussion, is that I think it is a good idea to "revisit" the 2nd amendment.
        • Jan 14 2013: Hmm... I got the impression that quite a lot were proposing that; I would have said "too many". But of course, I realize that there is no objective measure of what constitutes "too many".
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      Jan 14 2013: If "they" wanted to confiscate all guns, they would start by requiring you to register all guns, I think that is how Australia pulled it off. They already knew where all the guns were, when they instituted their ban.

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