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Morgan Barnes

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.

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Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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  • Jan 9 2013: Culturally, the US is not ready for this change. Logic, arguments, reality has nothing to do with it. It like trying to ban witch burning in the year 1500 and arguing that seizures are not a sign of evil spirits possessing you. It is not going to be accepted, no matter what. Gun culture is still too ingrained in the US. In 30-40 years it may be possible, but not now.

    The most reasonable thing you can try for is to ban weapons and accessories that make it easy to kill a large number of people in a short time. Semi-autos, large capacity magazines. The NRA will fight tooth and nail against that too, but there is remote chance that it could happen.
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      Jan 9 2013: Boy, you are not kidding. Have you seen the ammunition purchases for Federal Agencies?
      Here is an example:
      NOAA purchased 46,000 rounds of.40-caliber ammo Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, which enforces laws against illegal fishing and marine life importation. The ammunition is for 63 personnel, amounting to about 730 rounds per officer. Fish importation and illegal fishing...not considered capital crimes in most countries.

      Department of Homeland Security contract for a maximum of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber jacketed hollow-points, to be supplied over the next five years.

      My point is, that it is absurd to ask the people on the bottom of the power hierarchy to disarm while the government can't buy enough ordinance to make themselves feel secure, let alone the acceleration of URBAN WARFARE training across the nation by all LE.

      Maybe we should be asking, as a community, who upped the ante? Looks like the FEDS might be a wee bit of a hypocrite.
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        Jan 9 2013: This is sad, Americans seem to be only afraid of each other.
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          Jan 9 2013: Oh well, when people are negligent about their civic duties, the care of the weak, mentally ill and have low standards for their own children and the atmosphere in their schools, you can't expect another outcome. When a society can't get enough of Chainsaw Massacre 3d and will spend 23 million dollars in one day to suck it down, the result might just be "sad" and I can think of a few more words for it. These same people with low standards also vote and put other people in power that have similar low standards and in particular, a noted lack of noble purpose. I don't live that way, I don't want to have it engulf me or my peeps.
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          Jan 10 2013: Not sure if its necessarily afraid, but I do witness distrust, hatred, people " on top" looking down upon others. Race, religion, sexual preference, economic status, aesthetics, etc. We separate along these lines. United we stand, divided we fall.

          This is where we all lose out as a nation and a people.
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          Jan 10 2013: Not all of us Ken....we're not ALL afraid of each other or our government, as some folks are saying on this discussion thread!

          I agree with Gary that "United we stand, divided we fall.". We COULD start being "united" right here on this conversation thread and at least discuss the question with respect and accurate information. Distrust, hatred and disrespect are based on fear.

          If we are not part of the solution, we are part of the problem. Being disrespectful and presenting inaccurate information from a place of fear does not serve anyone.
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        Jan 10 2013: You described a portion of my country but on a smaller scale yet it is beginning to be the same.
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        Jan 10 2013: I really don't think "O" should use the Executive order on this issue. I don't know much about your countries governmental system but this one incident should not be used to use such a powerful tool as that order.
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          Jan 10 2013: He's just baiting the conservatives. We really created a monster by re-electing him when even he knew that he didn't deserve it. It feels like we are dealing with an adolescent. Any of his gun legislation will eventually be overturned by the Supreme Court, because they have a clear understanding of the 2nd.

          The text doesn't hang on a "comma' or a a street lawyer explanation of what a militia is.
          But let's face it, when a majority of people are uneducated enough that they want to change the flag from red, white and blue to mauve, wedgewood and cream because it's "outdated"..that will be the end of the city on the hill, and too bad for all the oppressed people of the world that one day hoped to be like us. As a nation, we are stumbling, let's hope we get up off our knees.
      • Jan 10 2013: This is exactly the kind of primitive mindset that I am talking about. The government is a foreign entity that is out to get you, and you can fight with it by purchasing guns. This group of people have literally not updated their thinking in 300 years. They need to buy guns, because the government is buying guns and they want to get even. These guys, with their stockpile of AR15s, are going to form a militia and fight off the government, with its aircraft carries and nuclear bombs. I kid you not.

        How can you talk about any sensible legislation on guns when so many are living in the year 1800?
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          Jan 10 2013: And your comment is the exact sophistry that presents such a real and present danger. You imagine that because you live in the age of gadgets, that you are an enlightened thinker. However, the sheer genius of the US Constitution goes right over your head.
          The issue is human rights to those who hold that as the standard by which we judge societies. Since we abolished slavery in the Western Hemisphere, a natural extension of the precepts laid down in the US Constitution, and since that stands alone in history as the most monumental achievement in human rights, and since no other nation has ever has ever exported anything equal to it, who comes now, when America is stumbling, and tries to connive to have us give up any of our rights so we can be led around by the nose as Europe and UK are currently?

          Tell us what your great replacement is. Tell us who you represent in terms of a new social contract.

          You want to mock people as primitive thinkers? Ridicule is the best course for those who can't make a reasoned case.

          Why don't you tell us, oh wise one, which blueprint you are comparing the US Constitution with? Which success story? Which social contract?
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          Jan 10 2013: What, is the government free from corruption and take over? Long live the powerful State?

          Your people don't understand what it means to be free, because you never fought for it and earned it. And you dismiss history and current dictatorships, in trust of your government. The world's not too different than it was 300 years ago. Technology has excelled, but human nature has remained the same.
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          Jan 10 2013: The BB generation wasn't worthy of their parents sacrifices, in the most part, they took it for granted and many never evolved past that "know nothing loud mouth stage"..they just got older.
          Hopefully they have triggered a homeopathic reaction in the Millenniums..stay tuned to the NEXT GENERATION...
        • Jan 10 2013: Thank you Mr Desi. Thank you for a lone voice of sanity amid this wilderness of brilliant apologists defending their non-existent 'right' to own weapons of mass destruction.
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      Jan 10 2013: Vikas,
      I believe the US IS ready for a change, and I think it will happen with small steps....as you insightfully say...

      "The most reasonable thing you can try for is to ban weapons and accessories that make it easy to kill a large number of people in a short time. Semi-autos, large capacity magazines."

      Of course there will be those who "fight tooth and nail against that too, but there is remote chance that it could happen."

      I believe there is MORE than a "remote chance" for this to happen. Those who oppose any kind of gun regulations usually speak the loudest, and it appears that those who DO support gun regulations are speaking more often now:>)
    • Jan 11 2013: We at least have to try

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