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Morgan Barnes

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.

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Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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  • Jan 4 2013: Colleen, You seem to be good at topic policing and wanting to control what others say but apply different rules to yourself. I find this to be the case with many of the bleeding hearts in my life. It is annoying and I respectfully ask you to allow others to draw meaningful analogies without you correcting them. Below are but a few examples of your own OFF TOPIC statements.

    "We probably would not ban hammers"
    Is this Topic about HAMMERS?

    "I agree that many mass murderers may be triggered by mental instability."
    Is this Topic about MENTAL ILLNESS?

    " Yes, I am a woman..."
    Is this Topic about WOMAN'S RIGHTS?

    "I agree that fear, anger, hate and antagonism can be expressed emotionally."
    Is this Topic about EMOTIONS?

    " I have been working for over 60 years with abused women and children,"
    Is this Topic about YOUR WORK?

    " I'm generally pleased with our legislation, environmental laws"
    Is this Topic about the ENVIRONMENT or VERMONT?

    " Vermont is "predominantly female"? 50.8% female, 49.2% male....looks pretty close to me!"
    Is this topic about GENDER?
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      Jan 4 2013: Ivory Babble,
      The ONLY thing I control is what I choose to address, and I follow the TED conversation rules, which means I try my best to stay on topic. I have not, in any way "corrected" anyone. I have, however, shared my perspectives regarding the topic question, and stated that I will stay on topic. If you feel annoyed by what I write, my only suggestion is to discontinue writing comments to me.

      No, the topic is not about hammers, mental illness, women's rights, my work, the environment, gender, and you know that. I responded to commenters who brought those issues into the discussion, and my intent, which seems clear, was to let them know that I will do my best to stay on topic.
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      Again Ivory Babble, I respectfully suggest that if you are annoyed with my comments, you discontinue directing statements to me. I cannot do anything about YOUR feeling of being annoyed. It appears that you are annoyed when people do not agree with you.
      • Jan 4 2013: The only thing that annoys me is illogical, irrational discussion where bleeding hearts talk about their feelings about issues and provide few facts. By definition logic is void of emotion.
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      Jan 5 2013: Colleen is trying to insist that we consider the issue in a vacuum, we even have to ignore the context that Morgan Barnes presented it in.

      So, Ivory, can you please ignore the man behind the curtain and try to conform yourself to a yes or no answer?

      But Colleen, let's be honest, the ONLY reason we are being asked to consider pulling down the 2nd Amendment is to diminish our rights. It's prohibitionists against the Constitutionalists. We are not being asked to consider the 2nd in order to expand or protect our existing rights.
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        Jan 5 2013: Marianne,
        I am honest, and have been very clear right along that I am trying to stay on topic....NOT trying to "consider the issue in a vaccum". Your insistance that I and some others are considering this issue in a "vaccum", is simply an expression of your disagreement with our perspectives.

        My perception is that we are addressing this issue for the purpose of making our world a safer place. I'm not "against" anyone Marianne because I believe we can all have different perspectives, perceptions and preferences. Nor do I feel that anyone is discussing "pulling down the 2nd amendment". I respect your belief and fear of your rights being diminished. I do not agree.
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          Jan 5 2013: Here Colleen,
          I have cut & pasted question that Morgan Barnes posted. It is called "Context".
          He didn't post the question about the 2nd Amendment because he was doing an exhaustive update of the Constitution.

          Morgan has taken the liberty of going a step forward and asking how to "enforce" said law and ended in "time has come" edicts. He left the door open for any and all of the comment that he has received.

          We are talking about 2nd Amendment gun issues in the light of the CT shootings. If you want to start a thread on abolishing the 1st Amendment, that is your perogative.

          BARNES: After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

          Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

          That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

          Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

          What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

          And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

          The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.
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        Jan 5 2013: Marianne,
        What is your purpose in suggesting that I start a thread on abolishing the 1st amendment? What is the point of this recent comment of yours?
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        Jan 5 2013: I got the same thing out of it Marianne, and the way Morgan Barnes presents the question, I feel as though he only wants a dialogue with people who see it from his perspective.
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          Jan 5 2013: Nothing happens in a vacuum, and the rhetoric about the Constitution being outdated, (when what they really mean is that abiding by the Constitution is no longer expedient for their agendas) has spurred a renewed interest in understanding the Constitution.
          The nuances and the brilliance that negotiated the laws of this land, can not be understood by a minds dulled by the their immersion in the popular culture and status quo.

          It is hard for them to imagine being young enough not to be scared into giving up our freedoms so that they can go to their graves imagining that they have done as much as they could to "control" everyone else's lives.
          There is an awakening in all the free world from those who understand in real time, what the rule of law means to them. The powers that be, need to understand that we realize that our rights are significant even when they keep getting in the way they imagine is "best for everyone."

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