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Morgan Barnes

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.


Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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  • Jan 3 2013: I find that the masses are easily manipulated in the framing of debates such as this. This debate has been framed around gun control which is clearly misguided. The events in December were carried out by a mentally unstable individual as all of these crimes are. Over 6 million guns were purchased in the USA in November and December yet there were not 6 million deaths, robberies or violent crime from these purchases so clearly a large segment of the population is not mentally unstable and can own a firearm responsibly. If a small group of people were walking the streets killing people by bashing unsuspecting victims heads in with hammers at random would we outlaw hammers for everyone?

    The common denominator is that mass murderers that act in the fashion of these highly publicized events are insane or at least mentally unstable with a trigger event that sets them off on a killing rampage.

    Most of us carry health insurance, however except in rare instances there is little or no coverage for mental health care on these policies. Maybe the Democrats can put forth a real solution to the problem with some sort of universal health care for those that are mentally unstable, Private insurance certainly does not want anything to do with this segment of the ill, and Republicans could see this as an acceptable compromise to prevent the further erosion of our second amendment rights.
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      Jan 4 2013: Steve,
      We probably would not ban hammers because that is a tool that is used for something other than primarily killing people. Not really a very good argument in this discussion.

      I agree that many mass murderers may be triggered by mental instability. If they were set off, and no guns were available, they may not be able to kill so many people.

      I honestly do not perceive any "erosion" of our second amendment rights, with the banning of assault weapons.
      • Jan 4 2013: Colleen,
        I am glad that we agree that mass murderers may (or is) triggered by mental instability and is an insane behavior.

        If you group all kinds of firearms together do you really feel that firearms are PRIMARILY used for killing people? Or just assault weapons?

        There are many legitimate uses for firearms, hunting , target shooting, competitive shooting, collectors, farm and ranch use and some say as a check and balance from a oppressive government etc.

        May I ask how do you feel about the Assad Regime and the rebels fighting against this oppressive regime? Do you feel that the rebels should not be allowed firearms? The rebels are not an official military.

        Additionally, I see by your picture and name that you are a woman. Not always but most frequently a women is easy prey for a stronger man with evil intentions, Are you willing to strip all women of the option to defend themselves from rape or mugging through the use of a firearm?

        If you know firearms and can read Feinsteins propsal at her website, it goes far further than an assault weapons ban it almost outlaws all semi automatic firearms that CAN accept magazines over 10 rounds which would eliminate virtually all modern firearms both rifles and semi auto pistols.

        Let's open the discussion a bit and look at the costs of society at large.
        I agree that each year there are about 150 or so of these insane mass murders. Each of these are tragic, but as a society this is a price we ay for the policies in place as we speak.
        The school shooting is a very emotionally charged topic, but all emotion aside. Society pays a higher price for the availability of alcohol to the public for deaths due to drunk driving, and we could look at many other examples, despite ever tightening laws.

        I fully agree that the mix of the mentally unstable and a firearm carries a unpredictable result.
        But again the proper action is the treating of the mentally ill not stripping the freedoms of the sane.
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          Jan 4 2013: Steve,
          I did not "group all kinds of firearms together", as you may notice from my comment.
          Yes, assault weapons are used primarily for killing.

          I am aware of the many uses for firearms....did you check out my other comments? It might be helpful to you and the discussion:>)

          The topic question is:
          "Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?"

          I suggest if you want to discuss the Assad Regime, you start another conversation.

          Yes, I am a woman, and do not suggest stripping anyone of the ability to protect him/herself.

          Yes....I agree...all emotion aside...this discussion is not about alchohol or drunk driving....you are trying to distract the topic.

          No one is trying to "strip the freedoms of the sane". The suggestion is to ban assault weapons.

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