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Morgan Barnes

Law Enforcement Officer, government agency

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.


Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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    Jan 2 2013: This is a well articulated explanation of the second amendment:

    • Jan 2 2013: You're being sarcastic I hope.

      She talks about rights being taken away. I see more rights being recognized in the last few decades and can't think of a single one that has been taken away.
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      Jan 2 2013: It may be well articulated to you, but is it well argued?
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        Jan 2 2013: Yeah, thats why I posted it. ... what I believe the best and the hardest concept to accept of america I hold is the freedom. I have my choices and I live with the choices of others around me, if I agree or not. I do not presume to know what is good for someone else. I do not fool myself into believing I understand the full breadth of culture and circumstances of people across 50 states. United we stand, does not say to me I shall dictate to you what I think is best. It says to me I will accept what you are about and be responsible for myself and loved ones.
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          Jan 2 2013: Well, that's very nice and loving of you.
          But what I see is gun-propaganda. (And I mean all that I say in all well-meaning, it might be hard to understand but it's true.)
          When you say that you're not going to dictate how anyone should live, you're also saying that things should remain the way they are. That means that you ARE dictating consistency and you wish others to live in a nation where (just about) everyone carries a gun. You ARE dictating that it's best if things are left untouched. And you're also closing the discussion with that statement, making those who wish to debate it morally inferior because "They're trying to tell you how to live"

          I can see that you love your country very much but don't let it be like teenage love and say that it's all good, that it has no faults and nothing needs improving.
          Gun Control is one of those things that IS damaging your country, it breeds fear and hate. And it's harming the rest of the world when you let that fear spill over your borders.
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        Jan 2 2013: It is freedom of choice propaganda.

        Also, Japan, Switzerland, any other country has a different culture than us. What works there does not necessarily work here. It is always easy to be on the outside looking in and say there is the problem.
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          Jan 2 2013: Cultures can be (and are always) changed. I have the same critical view on my own country...
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          Jan 3 2013: Jimmy

          The real point as indicated by Gary is that your culture is the proverbial frog in boiling water that has acquiesced so much for comfort that you don't realize it, not that the U.S. is above that sort of thing as witnessed by the last 3 presidents and their spending. It IS damaging your country, you just don't see it.
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          Jan 3 2013: no they don't. there is no such thing as culture of freedom and culture of bondage. only some are ahead of the curve, and some lags behind. japan lags behind in this issue. europe went sideways after two devastating wars. and the US is now going down into the abyss of socialism. happens. but the goal is the same for all human beings, regardless of location, language, history or culture. we all need to stop aggression, suppression and coercion in the name of sacred things.
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          Jan 3 2013: I see many of the errors of my country, I'm also probably, as you say blind to some of them.
          Btw, did you know that the proverbial frog is somewhat of a myth, it really only worked when you removed the brains of the frogs...
          Was Pats' statement what you wanted to say Gary?


          "the abyss of socialism" - Really? I don't see it that way, have you read up on the matter? If you haven't perhaps you should start with this Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
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        Jan 3 2013: Jimmy

        Absolute common sense and extremely well argued
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      Jan 3 2013: Gary

      She is great she gets it.

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