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Morgan Barnes

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.


Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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  • Dec 31 2012: I feel we are very manipulated. 10,000 deaths is a lot and we should try to lower these deaths. however death by firearms are not in the top 15 causes of death. Why aren't we upset that we are dying from heart disease, diabetes, cancer, etc. Diet is implicated in 10 of the top 15 reasons for death in the US. The government actively supports and gives aid to the large food producers and junk food industry to promote a poisonous diet that kills millions (including children). (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/us/07fat.html?pagewanted=all%3Fsrc%3Dtp&smid=fb-share&_r=0) Our founding fathers were afraid of the government more than anything thing else and they gave us the ability to fight back. But fighting the government is a losing proposition without media and PR. We should work on our problems that affect the majority but we are sorely uninformed about those issues. The sensationalizing of this issues diverts our energy and leads to more of the same by the sad and depressed. When more than 50% of the nation's households have firearms it is unlikely that there will be significant change.
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      Dec 31 2012: We ARE upset over all those thing, just not on this thread!
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      Dec 31 2012: Mark,
      Some of us are informed and addressing many issues at the same time....you could too:>)

      This topic discussion is:
      "Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?"

      What do you think and feel about the topic?
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      Dec 31 2012: Hi Mark,
      Your questions make too much sense. The other ongoing nightmares you cited are not sensational enough to draw a crowd, require effort and demand measureable results, it's a lot easier to stand in a crowd and clamor.
      The answer to your question is that for the last 40 years, the Baby Boomer generation has neglected to make the needed improvements in any real terms. The Public School system that is largely dominated by the classic Baby Boomer staff is a disgrace in terms of being a world class school system or even considered socially civilized after about 4th grade. Public Health, for those who have accepted the top down approach is in the dark ages, as typified by it's psych meds. The Mental Health system is practically non-existent as Baby Boomer bureacrats cannablized the very expensive system that used to operate in the US and used the funds for their own salaries (and retirements). During the Baby Boomer experiment, the mentally ill in this country were relegated to law enforcement, where they are now shot in the street at a rate of 4 times any other group by law enforcement. Inner city blacks, were by and large abandoned after it became clear that their problems actually required consolidated effort.
      And yet, these dinosaurs continue to show up with no shame, arrogantly attempting to dictate more of their marching orders to everyone else, refusing to acknowledge that their failures are their legacy.
      This Mark, is the reason that on this thread, you are being asked to consider the question of amending or abolishing the 2nd Amendment in a vacuum.
      The dinosaur trick here is to give you the formula that only a simpleton can love. "Bad man shoot kids with gun. How can we stop it? Take gun from bad man."
      There is only one reason to open a discussion about the 2nd Amendment & that is to dilute it.
      Uh oh, I better go, I think one of the monitors is coming. :)
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        Dec 31 2012: Marianne,
        All the issues Mark mentions are important and should be addressed. I tried to tell you this before and you called me a "control freak" among other things.......let me try again, so the TED monitors don't continue to remove your comments.

        TED has a terms of use agreement...if you scroll down to the bottom of this page you will see the link, and I believe it is on every page of TED.

        TED encourages staying on topic with respectful comments....disrespectful comments and off topic comments are often deleted.

        This topic is:
        "Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?"
        Morgan Barnes, the author of the topic has defined the topic with the introduction. Many of us know there are many underlying factors regarding why people kill other people, and many of us have had extensive conversations about some of these factors on other comment threads, where the topic brought in some of those other factors.

        While you continue to say that some of us are addressing the topic in a "vacuum", we are simply staying on topic. We are not simpletons, or uninformed, or ignorant...we are simply staying on topic, and for that, you seem to be angry and frustrated at TED, AND other participants, who do not go along with the direction you want to take the discussion.

        You can always start a conversation to address ALL the issues of why people kill other people. No one is stopping you from addressing all the issues you want to address...do you understand?

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