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Morgan Barnes

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.

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Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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    Dec 30 2012: specs,
    you will have to deal with any person who violates the law and causing you injury on that basis. You can not punish me because of what a lawless or careless person might do. I don't intend to surrender my rights to make you 'feel safer". "It has to stop" and "it's out of control"...a society can't assuage every fear you have by micro-managing your fellow travelers. Do you have any idea of how many gun owners in the US have never committed a gun crime?
    • Dec 30 2012: I don't care how how many didn't commit a crime. I do care that 9000 US citizens were killed by guns last year. How many of those were by government agencies? Not many I expect.

      And Marianne - you can be punished for what a lawless or careless person might do. It's called democracy. People can vote for gun control advocates during any election. Given enough time and violence, more will be elected and it is inevitable that gun owners will eventually see some of the rights they view as sacrosanct be wiped away. If they want to avoid that outcome then they need to take steps today to recognize the problem and agree to work constructively to address it..
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        Dec 30 2012: Anything that a mob wants is possible in a democracy, just ask the victims of the guillotine.

        However, we are blessed to live in a Democratic Republic where the masses are constrained by laws from such things as lynching or having their rights wiped away by a hysterical mass.

        32,000 US CItizens were killed in car accidents.

        I suggest you devote your energy to getting community mental health funded, again; Hold Big Pharma's feet to the fire over their lackadaisical practices when prescribing psyc meds and make Big Brother cut loose some money to spend on school security like the rich kids get. By the way, every penny that they spend on armed security for their children's schools, you pay for.
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        Dec 30 2012: But Specs, I do thank you for admitting that it is a punishment and that innocent gunowners will be punished. You see, that flies in the face of another principle of American jurisprudence, that we know that some guilty people will go free rather than innocent people suffer. It is the "innocent until proven guilty" precept. Very sacred concept, and we don't want it to disappear, to give you the perception of safety. We don't want to give you that much power over us.
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          Dec 30 2012: Suggest you reread my comment.

          If a group willfully continues to behave irresponsibly or neglectfully, it's only a matter of time before their actions get curtailed by the power's that be. Voters will insist on it.

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