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Morgan Barnes

Law Enforcement Officer, government agency

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.


Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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    Dec 30 2012: And what was the overall effect on violence? Not counting suicide?

    The studies seem inconclusive at best. Sort of a back and forth, reading the Wikepedia article.

    Small except...

    In 2005 the head of the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, Don Weatherburn, noted that the level of legal gun ownership in New South Wales increased in recent years, and that the 1996 legislation had had little to no effect on violence. Professor Simon Chapman, former co-convenor of the Coalition for Gun Control, complained that his words "will henceforth be cited by every gun-lusting lobby group throughout the world in their perverse efforts to stall reforms that could save thousands of lives".[39] Weatherburn responded, "The fact is that the introduction of those laws did not result in any acceleration of the downward trend in gun homicide. They may have reduced the risk of mass shootings but we cannot be sure because no one has done the rigorous statistical work required to verify this possibility. It is always unpleasant to acknowledge facts that are inconsistent with your own point of view. But I thought that was what distinguished science from popular prejudice."
    • Dec 30 2012: Common sense and historical empirical evidence from countries that have had gun control in place for a decade or more provide ample evidence that gun violence will go down.

      If the US implemented gun controls tomorrow it would take more than a few yrs before any declining trend would be noticed. And no you won't be exposed to any more risk than you already are. If you want to accelerate that declining trend then beef up stop and frisk laws and beef up the border and customs security. Heck even offer absolutely ridiculous buy back incentives for illegal guns. It's well worth the investment.

      Gun Control isn't about today - it's about the future.
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        Dec 30 2012: Gun prohibition isn't only about guns, it's about personal freedoms that the Americans are not about to be forced to surrender to an ever increasingly violent government.
        • Dec 30 2012: What about the personal freedoms of the non gun owners. Why should we live in fear of a neighbor with a gun or going to our cabin during hunting season.

          Why do Gun Owners rights supersede the rights of non gun owners and furthermore, given the current state of gun control in the US, why are the rights of non gun owners being infringed upon more and more as more and more people buy guns. When we're afraid to simply go to the park? It has to stop.

          For most US citizens, the threat from a gun owning neighbor is greater than any threat from a democratically elected government.

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