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Morgan Barnes

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.

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Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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  • Dec 23 2012: "Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age."
    At the time "military hardware" WAS flintlocks and muskets! If you happened to own cannon back then you were even more welcome!
    It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
    Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
    • Dec 23 2012: Care to share the exact link for that information. I'd like to make sure I've read the report in it's full context and be certain the reference is objective and unbiased.before commenting
      • Dec 23 2012: Forgot something again! I can't find any proof 9 out of 10 guns used in a crime in Canada are from the USA. Facts please?
        • Dec 23 2012: The 9 out 10 figure was off the top of my head.

          The RCMP though are the national police force here. - From their report (link Below) you'll find that 96% of the illegal guns they confiscated here either originated from or transited through the US.
          http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ci-rc/reports-rapports/traf/index-eng.htm

          And by the way, the NCPA can hardly be considered an unbiased source can it? A few of the funding donors are also NRA stalwarts.
      • Dec 23 2012: I read the entire RCMP report and then some. Seems the vast majority of guns weren't being smuggled but were simply undeclared.
        What really caught my eye? Criminals in Canada and Australia are making more cash than ever! Way to go gun laws! Stripped the law abiding of their rights and helped the criminals make more money!
        • Dec 24 2012: And the American criminals aren't?

          See - the thing is it's almost impossible to correlate gun control and gun violence. How can you predict what the violence level would have been in Australia if gun controls had not been in place during that same period. You can't. There are too many variables.

          And as this will be my last post on the subject - gun control laws aren't really about the hear and now. They are about the future. 20 yrs from now do you want to live in an armed state where everybody that you don't know must be considered a threat or do want a state where you have some semblance of security and relative peace?
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      Dec 24 2012: No, a right is not granted by the government. It is recognized as "not to be infringed" as in "not to be diminished" as in NO.

      If you wish to make it a safer and saner planet, you must go about it the holistic way, by moral persuasion and good example. You must not spend your money on violent movies and games, you must insist that your communities have good mental health programs and that your schools make it clear to everyone that they will not be allowed at school unless they practice the golden rule. That way, some mentally deficient kid lie Adam Lanza will not sidle along the walls of the public schools for years, his internal torment going unnoticed and until he finally snaps.

      What you can't do, is disarm millions of Americans who do not do anything unlawful with their firearms as retribution or to make yourself "feel' safer. They did not cause the shooting in Connecticut. They are protected against your illogical reaction by the 2nd Amendment.

      You need to face your real problems and stop using gun owners as a scapegoat.

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