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Morgan Barnes

Law Enforcement Officer, government agency

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.

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Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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    Dec 19 2012: What are the gun laws in Norway like?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
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      Dec 20 2012: What are the gun laws in Norway like?
      About the same as the US and nowhere near as strict as Australia where we no longer have these events.
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        Dec 20 2012: Saying that gun control laws in Australia work is meaningless without providing details as to how they work.
        For example, "At the heart of the push was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, or about one-fifth of all firearms in circulation in Australia."
        This does not account for why the other four-fifth of all the weapons in circulation in 1996 did not spawned another violent act.
        Currently, about 5.2% of Australian adults (765,000 people)[1] own and use firearms for purposes such as hunting, controlling feral animals, collecting, and target shooting.
        One measure that factored in to the Newtown incident was this: "The number of guns stolen has fallen dramatically from an average 4,195 per year from 1994 to 2000 to 1,526 in 2006–2007. This is coincident with a campaign by police and shooting bodies, such as the Sporting Shooters’ Association of Australia’s ‘Secure Your Gun, Secure Your Sport’ drive, to encourage secure storage of rifles and shotguns (handguns were already subject to strict storage requirements)."
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          Dec 20 2012: The banning of semi-auto long weapons and hand guns was only part of the reasonn for the reduction in gun related deaths. As you say the strict storage requirements are possibly just as important but as the laws were all enacted at the same time it's hard to isolate cause and effect. The remaining 4/5 of the guns still out there are predominately bolt action rifles and non-pumpaction shot guns. It's hard to sustain a killing spree with two shots or a five shot magazine on a bolt action rifle. In the long term the requirements have made gun ownership so inconvenient that even though I live in a city with a population of 500,000 there is only one store where you can buy ammunition, and it's illegal to send ammo by mail or courier so you can't even get it over the internet.
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          Dec 20 2012: Firstly you must show you have a genuine reason for owning a firearm.
          28-30 day wait for background check
          Must do a course in firearms safety
          Must apply at a police station for licence
          Must show the firearm will be secured properly
          All Firearms must be registered
          Firearms must be reported if being taken across a state border
          Ammunition must be locked and kept separately from the firearm
          A Number of classes of Licence A - H outlining types of firearm and restrictions and what the firearm is for IE Target shooting or Primary Industry.
          6 month Probationary licence for a pistol
          No licence is issued for personal protection
          $5,000 dollar yearly licence fee for Pistols
          Police may enter the property that the firearm has been registered at any time to check that firearms and ammunition are properly secured.

          How's that for starters

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