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Morgan Barnes

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Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?

After yesterdays tragic shooting in Newtown CT and the worst year ever for firearm related deaths and mass killings , has the time for the US Government to tell the Gun Lobby it is over and repeal or amend "the right of the people to bear arms".

Should it be repealed on the grounds that when originally written it was for a smaller population to defend the "State" and meant for Muskets and flintlocks not semi automatics and military hardware, which makes it no longer viable on account of relevance to this day and age.

That Militia should be held to Law Enforcement agencies, Military and government controlled Para military agencies, with a show need, clause for people such as certain Primary producers etc.

Is it time to tell the NRA and the Gun Lobby there will be no more "collateral" damage no matter how much you donate to the "Party"

What would be the best way for the government to enforce such a law???

And please no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.


Closing Statement from Morgan Barnes

Firstly I would like to say I did not flag or delete anyone's comments I am perfectly capable of speaking for myelf however I did get frustrated and had some comments deleted myself.
As I write this President Obama has signed 23 executive orders inline with Colleen's post from yesterday from New York.

I have to admit I am a little disappointed that we could not of just discussed the issue in a more calm, critical and logical manner and be able to offer solutions as well as recognised the underling causes, as this is a forum for open ideas and thinking, Then again we are dealing with human nature.
To those of you from the International community thank you for your imput and allowing people to see the different views helds in different parts of the world on this subject.
I will not deny that the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are the backbone of America, but remember it was written by man not given by god and man can take it away or amend it, if he really wants too.
I am a believer that in the 21st Century we should use it to advance humankind to address the problems of the world and improve it for all. It won't be easy but we have to start somewhere or we risk implementing our own destruction.
I hope that this be a positive start and and an even more positive step in which the US can show the way.
Once again I thank you all for your contributions

"In a progressive country change in constant : change is inevitable "Benjamen Disraeli

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    Dec 17 2012: No lack of a 2nd amendment stop the 2004 Beslan school hostage crisis in Russia.

    In Japan swords were outlawed and farm tools became just as deadly, and there is no reason to believe today's household items would not follow the same path.

    I say the factory style school system is the problem, as the constitution say the government should encourage public education. Note: it say encourage and not micro manage, so return to Constitution instead of repealing it.
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      Dec 17 2012: Yes imagine the carnage if he had been armed with a set of nunchaku.
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        Dec 17 2012: I guess if he had jammed the doors and used gasoline to burn down the school, you would want a two gallon limit on buying gasoline. Or more likely in this case it would have been pipe bombs and a suicide vest.
        Again my point being using common 21st century items and a little imagination anyone can create a 21st century mass carnage weapon.
        With a common factor with the shootings being that they are suicidal, I thinking we should focus on doing better than are current suicide hot-line system. and not focusing on gun nor all mental issues health care.
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          Dec 17 2012: A tin man argument. Yes there are other ways to injure or kill but guns allow one to be extremely efficient in murdering. Using your example of burning down a school with gasoline would likely result in an arrest before any fire was set,due to the effort involved and planning that it would necessitate. Yes you can kill someone with a knife, but likely only 1 or 2 people, if any before being stopped. Guns kill people when deranged people are behind them. Guns make men out of boys (or they make juvenile adults feel like men at least).
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          Dec 17 2012: If he had attempted to burn the building down I would imagine the teachers would have used the fire extinguishers to put it out. And with regard to your pipe bomb scenario at least that would require many hours of preparation in which he might change his mind rather than being able to just grab his mums gun and some ammo on the spur of the moment.
    • Dec 17 2012: "In Japan swords were outlawed and farm tools became just as deadly, and there is no reason to believe today's household items would not follow the same path."

      This is simply not true: the weapon used really does determine whether there'll be 2 dead or 20. Mass stabbings are common in China (in fact one occurred at a Chinese elementary school in Henan the same day as the shooting in Newton) but are far less deadly than the shootings in the United States (nobody died in Henan). The shooter in Newton deliberately used a semi-automatic version of the US military standard service rifle, the M4, not a kitchen knive.

      "No lack of a 2nd amendment stop the 2004 Beslan school hostage crisis in Russia."

      The people died there in a firefight between dozens of heavily armed Chechen rebels (who received funding and weapons via Al-Qaida in the lawless, wartorn Russian caucasus) and the Russian military who shelled the building with tanks. I really don't see how you can compare that to a lonely, disturbed individual shooting people in the United States.
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      • Jan 13 2013: You just answered two opinions, what is your argument?
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        Jan 14 2013: Myf E,
        Your comment makes perfect sense to me. Absolutely! If I wasn't frightened of violence I would not need to arm myself, and if I wasn't violent I would not need to arm myself. I am neither, so I see no need to own weapons.

        I agree with you that we need to seek balance, and the question is, where does that effort toward balance start? Frightened people with guns, are frightened people with guns...no matter what side of the battle they are on.

        Looking at some of the comments here, we see people who feel they need to arm and protect themselves from a hypothetical overthrow of the government. There is no evidence that the US government is trying to overthrow the citizens, so it appears that those who are arming themselves for the possibility of that event are the more frightened, and contributing more to the imbalance.

        We are becoming more and more of a global communitty, and I believe it is beneficial to at least listen to our neighbors respectfully for ideas of how we can all contribute to the balance of the global society.

        I do not see anyone trying to take away the rights of US citizens. The question is:
        "Has the time come for the U.S Second Amendment to be repealed or amended?"

        As I have stated many times on this thread, and will continue to state, I am in favor of removing assault weapons/killing guns from our communities. That is possible WITHOUT changing the constitution, because that document provides for "regulation".

        It appears that some folks are getting their knickers in a knot about this issue because of their own personal fear of "losing" something.
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        Jan 14 2013: Myf E,
        I liked how you brought up "balance" in your first comment. We have people afraid that all guns are going to be confiscated, and the US government is going to overthrow the people. That belief is fear driven, and very out of balance, because we see absolutely no evidence of that happening.

        You are right...some folks are struggling with this issue because they are so afraid of losing something, so they jump to the idea that the government is trying to take away ALL our rights! Again, this is very obviously an imbalanced, fear driven belief. I agree...a moderate, balanced perspective is needed.

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