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Zman Kietilipooskie

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Personality is a result of fractured identity. The creation of the soul.

Breaks of the mind, carried on threw out human existence building to the point of the diversity of minds now.
Original primal humans were simple and "soul" less but due to the complexity of the "soulless" brain the mind was able to break or become altered in some way making the first soul, this is then spread (through communication) until the next break occurs in a mind. Finally today the mind is so complex due to the uncountable "broken souls"that we each have an almost unique personality.

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    Dec 15 2012: Yes!
    "(5) Soul
    Soul is the spiritual self formed by the computation results of the master data-programs of both human instincts and pre-instincts in the brain.
    The soul runs the brain; and the brain runs the whole physical body.
    ...."



    (For more, see the 1st article, point 2(5), at https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=D24D89AE8B1E2E0D&id=D24D89AE8B1E2E0D%21283&sc=documents)
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      Dec 15 2012: So that fits in with the creation of the soul.
      And My hypothesis is how it is formed.
  • Dec 9 2012: As every person has a character, we use alternate methods to show our personality.

    We are in this world for only one single reason and that is to build and develop the best possible character we can. We adjust and use our personality to fit in the environment we do want to fit into.
    Our character is the only 'thing' we take with us when our body dies.

    This is our take on the human mind.. I hope it will not break yours :)
    http://webhome.idirect.com/~abraam/documents/TheHumanMind.pdf
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      Dec 9 2012: I am speaking of the origin of character and personality.
      Personality doesn't just arise threw living in an environment, it is developed then exchanged as an optimum personality for an environment. Like evolution the thing needs to be "created" before it is subject to its environment and “evolution”.
      • Dec 9 2012: Hi Zman,
        --"Personality doesn't just arise threw living in an environment,"--
        I agree with you that it is not the environment that is in control. I believe we, every single one of us, is in control of our own personality. Only we can decide for ourselves, as individuals, what to love and what not to.
        --"it is developed then exchanged"--
        What do you mean with "exchanged"?

        Your last sentence seems right-on, to me. I believe there is evolution, but that is a process involving already existing life-forms. Evolution is not a start out of nothing.

        BTW I'm glad you mentioned "created" :)
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          Dec 9 2012: Ya, regardless of how personalities got here, they definitely were "created".
          but to specify my idea of the creation of the soul:
          By creation I mean that it was caused by the break in a complex soulless mind and I believe that personality is similar to the evolution in biology because, as you said the the environment dictates the persons personality. A theory on the origin of the personality. Then after the first personality is made the person then spreads his or her "personality" though interaction with other people and they develop habits and then personalities.
      • Dec 9 2012: --"as you said the the environment dictates the persons personality"--
        I doubt I said that because in the first part the whole point I tried to make is that we are in control, and for a reason.

        Just wondering what you mean with a mind and then a "soulless mind".

        Do you see a purpose in life?
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          Dec 9 2012: "We adjust and use our personality to fit in the environment" therefor the environment dictates who we are.

          A soulless mind is a brain with no specific personalities just a purely functional machine, were as a "soul" is a mind with unique and defining attributes or a self.

          The purpose of life is to live life the way you want, to do that which you enjoy most and to make the world a better place.
      • Dec 10 2012: Hi Zman, I should have made it more clear, that I see our character as we really are, but our personality as how we would like the world to see us.

        --"A soulless mind is a brain with no specific personalities just a purely functional machine,"--
        When is, or was, that?
        I assume you see nothing exists beyond our physical brain, it's electiral connections and the neurons etc.

        --"The purpose of life is to live life the way you want, to do that which you enjoy most and to make the world a better place."--
        So there is nothing wrong with being an alcoholic? Arter all, if that's what someone wants and enjoys most..
        Then why is a character, or personality, so important to you?
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          Dec 10 2012: I think that in order for personality to originate a mind without a "soul" must change (develop in a unique way(as in a mutation)) to a unique mind or perspective generating a unique personality which is then transmitter to other minds through communication and practice.

          Enjoyment is different then sensation. You get a good sensation from alcohol not enjoyment.
      • Dec 10 2012: Sorry Zman I got to get some sleep.

        All the best
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        Dec 11 2012: You said, "the environment dictates the persons personality."

        That's just not true. I am so different from who I was 25 years ago that it cannot be true.

        Why the change? Because I started asking myself new questions and began looking for answers to them.
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          Dec 11 2012: Your knowledge and your soul are separate, your soul is something effected by your knowledge. Think of it like this, your knowledge is something that can effect your perspective by altering your soul.
          This theory speaks of how the origin of "souls" happened and also how the soul complexity developed into the wide expanse of ideas and perspective and such that are open for people to create new perspectives or parts of "souls" which are then introduced into the masses.
          A "fractured mind" is simply how the mind was created without which knowledge wouldn't alter the personality but with which it can.
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        Dec 11 2012: Then to make sense of what you are saying, please define "mind".
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          Dec 11 2012: Just think of the soul as the mind, think of the soul as a collection of old perspectives and ideas and creations created and built up by man over the existence of "souls" and we are people who pick and choose little peaces from this vast ocean making a uniquely complex person from it, and then the uniquely complex mind is open to change from the base mind and the environment.
          Perhaps the unique mind has a unique perspective and base to view reality in a new light and then derives a new perspective.
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    Dec 8 2012: What a truly sad view of humanity. So destructive! So self-damning!

    What if in the beginning, there was one (the singularity that is self aware). The singularity recognized its many potentials and sought to know about them. When consensus was reached among the various potentials that were also self-aware and were the singularity, BIG BANG! All potentials are given free will to explore their own potentials. No potential is separated from its source energy (the non-physical singularity), because it expanded explosively (it didn't explode into pieces). It perceived itself differently, and as thoughts create reality, you perceive yourself differently, yet you are still, at your core, the one energy that is us all.

    In this way, 13.5 billion years later, you are the evolution of a potential (an aspect) of that singularity. This is what gives you identity. Also, in this way, the leaf of a tree is a soul (an aspect of the singularity) as is a frog or a human, who having come into the world with a purpose in mind, faces challenges. Some of these challenges are chosen in advance while others are the result of choices made during the human experience.

    In this way, the innate perfection of the individual is sustained, and an aspect of the singularity that can recognize its own perfection will make far different choices than an aspect that sees only brokenness or evil.
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      Dec 8 2012: I would think that this is cool, that the idea of personality is the result of complex kind of mutations of the mind; it is not evil but irregular and special.
      The idea that every personality developed because of a need is, in my opinion, incorrect so instead parts of the personality developed because of their understood benefit (evolution) and the rest are due to the soul breaking and reforming into a unique mind, which is then spread through communication and the idea of the new mind is trained to the youth.
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        Dec 8 2012: I didn't suggest that souls (aspects of the whole) develop out of need. Far from it. I srggested that aspects select and then pursue fulfillment of potentials as prime joy.
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          Dec 8 2012: Joy is not a factor without a "soul", after the fracturing occurs the soul is there and joy is a factor which is applied to the base of the mind.
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        Dec 9 2012: I am having a very hard time following your rationale. Perhaps it's a matter of semantics. If you were to say that there was an uncorrupted soul, but trauma caused an ego to emerge, I could follow. But to have a "soul" simply appear is beyond my ability to connect any dots.

        Using your lexicon, what is the difference between ego and soul?
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          Dec 9 2012: The ego is something that develops naturally because of a need for selfish behavior. but then due to the complexity of our brains the breaks occur leading us to a unique perspective or personality, this is then spread through communication to other living organisms who are trained copies of the new "soul".
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        Dec 10 2012: If this worldview gives you peace, enjoy. For me, it is extremely disturbing. The unintended consequences of such a view are grave.

        BTW: How does the "soul" just pop into existence and what exactly is a "soul"?
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          Dec 10 2012: By creation I mean that it was caused by the break in a complex soulless mind, and souls a complex unique mind.
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        Dec 10 2012: And I repeat - what is a soul?
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          Dec 10 2012: a soul is a complex unique mind, made up of a unique composition of habits brought down through the "breaking of souls'"
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        Dec 11 2012: How is "soul" different from "ego" is different from "unique personality"?
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          Dec 11 2012: soul is a unique personality, ego is a part of the base of the brain that is there as a result of biological evolution
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        Dec 11 2012: So if i take your proposition well beyond that which you have offered, then I would have to go back to the Big Bang. I will give the singularity sentience (self-awareness). At the moment of the Big Bang, the entangled universe begins to evolve. Each of the perceived parts (called aspects of the whole) has the ability to chose to evolve in whatever way one desires, for the betterment (in understanding) of the whole that we all are at our core.

        In this context, there may be a PERCEIVED destruction, or there may be a PERCEIVED birth, but any conclusion of either is merely based on lack of sufficient understanding of how quantum mechanics suggest the universe works.

        Your separating your use of the word "soul" from your use of the word "ego" makes no sense. You shouldn't be using the word "soul" in the context you use it because in our culture, it has another meaning. You should use "identity" rather than "soul" But then you have to dismiss your definition of "ego" because it doesn't follow any rational thought.
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          Dec 11 2012: It was assumed that you were aware of the actions of a "simple mind" or one without personality. Ego is part of the base of the brain...... Not the soul.......

          To expand on what i said earlier in our discussion:
          The "ego" is the result of biological evolution, it is a solution to interaction with the environment and other people.

          Look up the soul in the dictionary.
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        Dec 11 2012: I reject the idea of a "simple mind" or "being" without personality. You have to take too many leaps of faith that reject implications of quantum physics to arrive at your starting point.
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          Dec 11 2012: I have make one leap, that the cause of personality is due to a minds structure breaking or altering, giving rise to a unique soul.. How does this go against quantum mechanics?
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        Dec 12 2012: I find your view disturbing. You are welcome to adhere to any belief system you want. I do not see the purpose of continuing this conversation.

        To answer your question, please check out Twin Slit Experiment, Bell's Inequality Theorem, & Schrodinger's Theorem.