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Personal decisions can be mapped as a point between three positions:Self Preservation, feeling (senses) or Logic (Ethical)

This is a way to describe the statistical action of a person or predictive reaction of a person, if a person acts consistently in a certain relationship between these points it is a high possibility they will continue to do so.
Think of it like a triangular relationship with a point (statistical center) followed by a probability area is surrounded by it (statistical general area of choice).

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    Linda Taylor 50+

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    Dec 7 2012: Interesting conceptual model. But you are excluding a few factors such as past learning. See learning in and of itself can be feeling or logic. External influences should also be considered such as social or peer influences. Prediction is not addressed. Many times it is the expected result that drives the decision. A couple of other factors might need to be considered. There are a lot of articles and research on decision making. I think you can find a lot in marketing and advertising research.

    I think you probably can find a statistical marker for personal preference. But I think there will be a large margin of error will still be there when you apply statistics to predict.

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      Dec 7 2012: Past learning is relative and will train the person to make choices in on of the three (for example science leans persons though to logic), this will manifest itself in the choice triad.

      Peer influences would add another triangle outside of it including other people habitual tendencies, which will be a relation effecting the personal choice.

      The expected result would be a logical choice.
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        Linda Taylor 50+

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        Dec 7 2012: In all honesty, I think genetics has a greater influence than any past learning. You can train but you have to train against the personality to make different choices. So learning's influence may be situational only.

        Peer influence changes with setting and developmental stage. So for instance, a teenager will be influenced far more than someone at mid life. So to find your statistical marker would be a point in time assessment.

        Like I said, it's a workable model, just be ready for these types of critiques.
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    Madhavi Gavini

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    Dec 7 2012: Zman, We do not consistently use all the three criteria when making a personal decision. Even if we do, the 3 criteria will not carry the same weightage...depending on the decision being made. When a criterion is not used, the point will cease to be a statistical center by your definition. Therefore, I feel that a statistical center cannot be mapped consistently.

    • Zman Kietilipooskie

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      Dec 7 2012: The point of the model is to find a statistical point were the person will react, (the habitual area of consideration). If a point is no longer considered then he likely hood of point a compared to point b still exists.
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    pat gilbert 100+

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    Dec 7 2012: self preservation and logical and ethical are basically the same thing

    decisions base on emotion are not part of the above

    • Zman Kietilipooskie

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      Dec 7 2012: True logic is without biases.
      Emotion is one of the three reasons a person makes a choice.
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        pat gilbert 100+

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        Dec 7 2012: I don't agree

        Emotion is irrelevant. It is merely a reflection of a persons

        • Zman Kietilipooskie

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          Dec 7 2012: unless you are sociopathic, emotions play a role in your choices.
          For example if somebody called you a name your emotions would effect how you make choices regarding that person.
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        pat gilbert 100+

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        Dec 7 2012: So you make the decision to be upset. But that is not logical. Why not decide to be happy or cheerful?

        The question is what comes first the emotion or the decision?
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          Linda Taylor 50+

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          Dec 7 2012: I can help here Pat. Sensory input comes into the brain via the limbic system before it is sent to the frontal lobes of the cerebral cortex. The limbic system is responsible for emotions and the frontal cortex is the seat of reason. Therefore all decisions are always made though emotions. Most of the time, reason has to suppress emotion. Sounds like you got that down.

          Nature set it up that way for survival reasons.

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          Dec 7 2012: The three factors apply to the choice, a person who makes choices with these factors as influences. If in a certain context a person acts more so rationally selfish then logical; so then that person will apply that general choice descriptor to making to all choices, with some variety.

          You do not make the decision to be upset, you choose your being upset be a factor in your choice making (threw habits).
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        pat gilbert 100+

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        Dec 7 2012: Yes I think Spock has it right.

        Zman and Linda

        I don't buy the premise...

        You are assuming that the mind is located in the body. You assume that a person does not have a choice.

        Live long and prosper
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          Linda Taylor 50+

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          Dec 7 2012: Pat,
          Not a premise, just biology.
          It really does not matter how you structure "mind." You still make decisions with your brain.

        • Zman Kietilipooskie

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          Dec 7 2012: No no no, the person habitually makes choices based on their habitual use of a relationship of the three. The location of the mind has nothing to do with it.
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        pat gilbert 100+

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        Dec 7 2012: In my best monty python voice, No its not.

        The mind controls the brain and has everything to do with it.

        • Zman Kietilipooskie

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          Dec 7 2012: The choice is an effect of the mind so regardless of the location of the mind this is a study of the outer workings. Phsychology not neuroscience.
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          Linda Taylor 50+

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          Dec 8 2012: @Zman
          Psychology is neuroscience. They are not mutually exclusive. One is process and the other result. They are part of the same phenomena. You will not be successful if you have a psychological phenomena that does not have a biological correlate.
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        pat gilbert 100+

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        Dec 7 2012: I said as much as I'm going to say about this.

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    Dec 7 2012: A lot of people don't have time to think wider in their usual life.
    But it's only the decision of each individual to think in different way, more intellectual way.

    • Zman Kietilipooskie

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      Dec 7 2012: Not sure what your saying but isn't someone who is more intellectual more rational or logical. How does a person think beyond these three?
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    Parth Mahida

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    Dec 7 2012: Yes, you are right. I am not as knowledgeable as you but yes on this three points we can take any personal decision. Sometimes self preservation not important because for me the person whom i love is more important so at that situation for me their preservation is more important .
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