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Government is/or soon will be outdated

Basically Government or soon will become more of an evil then it is a good. It is or soon will be become un-necessary due to the abilities of business. A governmental system can be removed with the only the judiciary system remaining. Government played a role in our lives when ethics and morality were still undefined as well a technology was still in its infancy. Now that communication has moved to the public and morality is common we have entered a new age.

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    edward long 100+

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    Dec 5 2012: Please indulge my ignorance. In recorded history has there ever been a viable, enduring anarchist society? If yes, what happened to it? If no, why not?

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      Dec 5 2012: That is the thing, things have changed over history. Such as technology, law, ethics, science, and societies.
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        edward long 100+

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        Dec 5 2012: I'm not being facetious about my ignorance (and I can back that up). Is that a "no"? Why not?
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          pat gilbert 50+

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          Dec 5 2012: I would like to see some evidence that ratifies the purported ignorance, sorry but you can't just go around claiming you are a dumb ass without some backup.

        • Zman Kietilipooskie

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          Dec 5 2012: Basically as history changes the reasons for the possible failure of anarchism changes, that is our debate.
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        edward long 100+

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        Dec 5 2012: If there have been no successful attempts in the past to establish anarchist nations what were the failure modes? Did they fail because of under-developed technology, law, ethics, science and societies?

        • Zman Kietilipooskie

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          Dec 5 2012: I would argue that there hasn't even been a fully establish anarchist society in the last 100 years or so so "technology" of today had no role ion previous anarchist movements.
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        edward long 100+

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        Dec 5 2012: Prior to a century ago what established and running anarchist society/nation was there?
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      pat gilbert 50+

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      Dec 5 2012: Nope, maybe Somalia will hit the enduring mark?

      You do understand that anarcho-capitalism is not anarchy?

      I don't know if it is possible to achieve but Robert P. Murphy and Thomas Woods make a good argument for it. At the very least imo it should be a theoretical goal.

      I might add that the reason for economics is to be able to predict (they call it Praxeology), which if nothing else is worth the price of admission as they are better at it than anyone else.
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        edward long 100+

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        Dec 5 2012: Requested proof of ignorance follows:
        I have no idea: who Robert P. Murphy, Mises, Menger, Rothbard. J.B. Turbot, Adam Smith, or Thomas Woods are; what Praxeology is; how repeated attempts to amend the constitution via legal and ethical means can be swept under the rug and forgotten; and finally, I have no idea what women want. More upon request. Case closed?
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          pat gilbert 50+

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          Dec 5 2012: Thank you for your answer. But unfortunately it occurs to me that I am also ignorant to much of your claim but would never admit to such therefore I cannot accept your claim.

          Fortunately Austrian economics is insanely easy to understand it is the antithesis of what Krisztian's buddy Krugman espouses. I would give it a look as it really does work.
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        edward long 100+

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        Dec 5 2012: RE: "Thank you for your answer."
        The only thing between us and ignorance is itemizing things we don't know? Ah yes, the old illusion of omniscience. By the way, I'm so old that it was the word "outdated" in the OP that attracted my deficit attention! Learn and enjoy!

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      Dec 5 2012: "Please indulge my ignorance. In recorded history has there ever been a viable, enduring anachist society? If yes, what happened to it?"

      Southern Somalia is an almost anarchist state with only a judiciary and competing "private sector" armies for hire, it's a veritable paradise, if genocide, hunger and abject poverty are your thing. Hunter-gatherer tribes are not and never have been anarchist: they had elected tribal councils.

      "You do understand that anarcho-capitalism is not anarchy?"

      Pat is right on this on: anarchism wants to abolish all authority, anarcho capitalism wants to preserve the authoritarian rules that benefit billionaires (like the right to form a limited liability corporation and transferable money) while doing away with such pesky rules that outlaw child labor and pollution.

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