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Can anyone prove the existence of a supernatural deity?

I think that any philosophical ideal that isn't governed by the laws of physics will never be proven. Therefore, I guess all gods are just delusion. Whenever a person believes in god, that is because he found his parents doing so. Which means all our beliefs are nothing but a geographical accident!

Topics: Does god exist Existence of God philosophy physics religion
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  • Naveen Dennis Barnabas

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    Dec 3 2012: The existence of God cannot be proven because it is purely based on faith. The existence of which cannot be proved by myself or anyone in this conversation(probably). But what I can tell you is that people who believe in God can put their hopes, their dreams, their problems into the arms of the supernatural power they believe in and will be more peaceful when compared to how they themselves will be without their faith or "supernatural deity".
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      Louis Ades

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      Dec 3 2012: I disagree why can't it be proven?

      • mona dogra

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        Dec 3 2012: well it cant be proven at all it only thru holy books u can find about the existence but proving in reality is no chance.....and if u strongly disagree then tell how it can be proven......what is that formula to prove it???
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          Louis Ades

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          Dec 3 2012: There's no formula. It's simple. What was the initial cause of everything? What caused the world, the Big Bang theory, and the multiverse? Before there was a universe we say there was nothing. So what caused there to be something?
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          Obey No1kinobe 50+

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          Dec 4 2012: Louis you have only proven you do not know what caused the cosmos.

          And in ignorance you claim magic.

          And you dont know how this magic did it or why the magic exists. In fact no direct evidence of it existing or its nature -just speculation.

          Hence, with no compelling evidence for gods and their nature, humans invent thousands of contradictory supernatural explanations.

      • mona dogra

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        Dec 3 2012: agreed to what u said but dis doesn't prove the existence......existence of god is just a belief and faith....u cannot really see him nd mark his existence .......in this present era existence of god is restricted to belief, faith,sacred books ...thats it....nothing more than this.....existence till date has been proved only n only thru the holy books.....apart from this there is no other way one can prove as no one has ever seen god....
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          Louis Ades

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          Dec 3 2012: Did I not just prove that there has to be a primal cause to the universe? And do you understand why that Prinal Existence has to be one and can not be two? Because if there are two entities then there has to be a cause that created both of them. And this primal existence can't be physical in any way because if it was physical it would be bound by the laws of physics and there would have to be a cause to that. So this Promal Existence has to be one and can't be physical. Do you agree that logically there is no possible alternative?
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          Obey No1kinobe 50+

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          Dec 4 2012: Louis you are in speculation territory.

          Logical fallacies:
          Multiple Arguments from ignorance
          Special pleading

          This is not a proof of god, it just proves you can invent a flawed argument to support your view.

          examples:

          There is no reason for there being one eternal intangible god concept rather than 5 or a billion. All with the same special pleading that they did not need a cause.

          It is just as easy to say the natural precursor conditions to the current origins of the universe have always existed.

          Why do you get to define some agency as not having a beginning - this is special pleading.

          You are saying there was nothing. Nothing in the physics sense, or philosophical absence of everything.

          Then special pleading that a special something can exist when there is nothing. Nonsense.

          Your agency is outside reality. It is effectively not real. It is just a fallacious mental construct.


          The alternatives include:
          - we don't know what came before the big bang, and may never know
          - time did not exist before the universe did back to the big bang.
          - Before big bang may be incomprehensible to our monkey brains that evolved to make sense of mid sized life on earth.
          - something has always existed, even nothing, no matter, no space, is something else
          etc

          You proved nothing unless you ignore or the fallacies.

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