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Is the world Super-deterministic or not?

If there was empirical evidence that showed that the world was indeed "Super-deterministic" (as defined by physicist John S Bell) thus void of free will, would you accept the evidence based on its validity or reject the evidence outright and why?

How significant would the ramifications of such knowledge affect science, philosophy, and theology?

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  • Jason Huffman

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    Nov 29 2012: If I'm given a choice to reject such a theory, does it not insist that such determinism is false based off of the stimulus of my senses (the most basic recognizable fact we can exhibit empirically ) indicating that I have made a choice?

    The only validity we have is our sense experience and when we discount that what we are left with is the condition of servitude to the universe- we are merely robots living out our days with a fated end. BUT, it is less empirically probable that "I am a robot person" than, "I make choices everyday" based off of sense experience. It comes down to a probability and people will decide if they are fated or if they make their own fate based off of sense experience.

    I prefer to trust my senses as it simply makes more sense to me that I have choices than that I don't.

    • Manuel Morales

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      Nov 29 2012: Excellant question, one that I had once thought of myself... however, as it turns out determinism IS choice. That was a tuff one for me to get my head around.

      Actually, you can only choose what can be chosen sense experience or not. On top of that you have no choice but to choose in order to exist. Case in point, beginning tomorrow morning you will choose not to make a choice. This means you cannot get out of bed, move a single muscle, drink water or feed yourself without choosing to do so... and we call this free will?

      • Jason Huffman

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        Nov 29 2012: What else would we call free will? It goes like this, you either have choices that matter or you have choices that don't matter at all. The irony is that we must chose which of those sides we believe. It is prudent to utiize empiricism in shuch a case. I find the former, not the latter, rings more true. But thats because my life would devolve into fatalism if otherwise.
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        Gail . 50+

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        Dec 11 2012: you said, "Actually, you can only choose what can be chosen sense experience or not."

        THAT is free will.

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