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The case for cloud-seeding

It is quite evident that most states in the world now conduct cloud seeding.

Cloud seeding is not all that new, in my youth it was common in the apple growing districts to shoot skyrockets above possible hail formations to disrupt the coalsecence of hail stones and reduce their impact on the crops. I believe the active chemical used was silver nitrate.

The more common chemical seen in modern cloud seeding is silver iodide. This nucleates rain drops which then gather electrostatically into cloud.

You will recognise them for their whispy-feathery appearance, which may or may not form into rain clouds - depending on the ambient humidity.

The presence of cloud seeding was first noticed by conspiracy theorists as "chemtrails", agianst which no official refutation was poffered - because no public agreement was sought for the practice.

I can think of some good reasons for cloud seeding - wildfire mittigation, cachement optimisation (water-supply dams) or even mittigation of global warming.

We don't know the justifications because we were not consulted. And the debate was never undertaken.

Let's have the debate now.

To kick it off, i will opose the practice and state as my opening arguement that: cloud seeding is vandalism of the sky.

Please state and argue your case:

For and against.

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    elizabeth muncey 10+

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    Dec 13 2012: Thank you so much for hearing me Mitch. To try and evidence that I get what you are saying: 'Shakespeare said all the world is a stage and we are merely players'. Re. agrarian society 4 roles propose fifth role of eagle, soaring above and keenly observant. Your actual questions a. how come more people don't realise who is pulling their strings and b. if aware what is stopping them fighting back. Sun as old man ra, pennywhistle for communicating emotions better than words as words social constructions. Didgeridoo just a sized-up pennywhistle but the breath control needed can induce a trance like state through hypoxia. Awareness of situation like a bucket of ice-water isn't it. Something happened re C13th, not sure what but many people becoming aware in many parts of the world. Personally reflecting on end of Ancient Eygptians noticed it was a cascade of interconnecting events. Hence always fret about pollinating birds and insects and maintaining sufficient numbers of same and sufficient plants. Situation re Europe already feels too late, 4 new supereconomies here (BRIC) Brazil Russia India China. Australasia still not really considered but as you know Australian outback being mined for minerals etc necessary for microcomponents. Today is a bonus day for me in so many ways Mitch, please direct me to where I can read your work in further detail. National weather forecast showing minus 24 in Scotland in last few days. Seer's predictions were that us children who have ended up on the 'islands far away' will return and reclaim Scotland. There is none so deaf as those who think they are right, unfortunately. Now what are you saying about Mars? What are your thoughts about the four names we are supposed to remember - names just personification of 4 states, now know AGCT from genetic coda. Adenine, Guanine, Cytosine and Thiamine. Fibonacci kept coming to mind for me but Maths not my language. 4 roles agrarian but Star Trek team of 5. Yr ? = ?captain !
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      Mitch SMith 50+

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      Dec 14 2012: Farmers shoot Eagles.
      Agriculture relies on closed systems - anything outside the fence is regarded as a wolf.
      This attitude is the cause of the destruction of our environment - I am very certain about the role formula of agriculture - it was a significant wrong-turn in our history and seems to correlate with teh Younger Dryad ice-age.
      The only place for eagles is away from farms - there is nothing there for them.
      C13th was the short warming period in the norhern hemisphere, crops grew better, competition relaxed a bit and there was a little more time for leisure until population growth consumed the excess.
      A didgeridoo does not cause hypoxea if played properly .. it's a drone the same as found in all the different types of bagpipe - one needs a drone to play pure harmony. Modern orchestras do not play pure harmony - they play tempered brute-force scales which ignore harmony. The didgeridoo is a cultural part of the corroboree - a holistic community expression where the drone sets reference for common expression. A form of ritual magic. What westerners call music these days is not music - it is commerce - and uses the entertainment-adiction vector. It's all drugs.
      The canals of mars were. most likely, created by plasma discharges - really-big-lightning. You can see that very few of them drain like a river system does.
      Have a look at these guys: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject
      They are nuts, but they have some empirical observations to offer.
      We have now learned from Voyager that the solar system is plasma-connected with the galaxy. We already know that the Earth is plasma-connected with the Sun and other solar system objects(magnetic footprint). This creates a universal webwork of filaments which can transmit enormous amounts of energy at unpredictable times.
      Words are pre-packaged perceptions - they are things of the autobiographical self. They short-circuit the senses and must be treated with caution.
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        elizabeth muncey 10+

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        Dec 15 2012: Mitch - you and I are both eagles. You are right about words but I have never been able to communicate with numbers and only got a very basic education about how computers actually talk to each other, just that it was a binary code of positive/negative (as in punch cards) and then in 0 and 1 in digital. I find it truly alarming that in the space of a generation young people cannot communicate complex sentence structures due to txt spk. I compare the human voice to the drone, as you are no doubt aware 'call and answer' is the basis of many folk tunes. Often the harmonic melody of the tin whistle is what makes the drone of the voices even richer and where even words cannot convey powerful messages like loss and longing and happiness at least the tin whistle is available. So back to eagles, yes in closed systems eagles are made into objects to be destroyed on site (sight too) as are many of the other higher level predators. Tigers, bears etc. You can be whichever you like, I'm sticking with eagle for now. It is all over the internet that the world's population of humans is growing exponentially but so are other global populations, particularly sea life and particularly the 'new discoveries' about the multitude of simple celled marine organisms like plankton. They are truly beautiful now we have the technology to see them but once again because no one has seen a commercial application for them the research is underfunded and underutilised. Just because people present 'oddly' as you noted their empirical observations are there to be peer assessed and it is people like you who can possibly spot something they missed because you are prepared to imagine and to hypothesis too. Of course words are of their time and place, which is why I said the tower of babel allegory is a truly useful framework. It has also been noted recently nature replicates useful patterns in many organisms. Idea originally posited in film 2001 A Space Odyssey plus mad computer Hal. contd..
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        elizabeth muncey 10+

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        Dec 15 2012: Second post. Am aware of the 'addiction' gene and for want of better words, the U.K, rave scene was essentially flashing lights and narcotics/alcohol in an otherwise dark space but what people seem to have missed is 'the hysteria factor'. People need to be around other people, women especially as their menstrual cycles seem to synchronise. Having babies at a certain time of year would certainly make for a better chance of offspring survival in ancient times. An agrarian system definately makes for a more consistent food source but as you have pointed out it is labour intensive and as any business knows the highest cost is always the staff. Personally I am always better off away from other people because I am too sensitive to atmospheres being oversensitised at a young age. I have trained as a counsellor and work on a limited basis in the voluntary sector. Now I am physically disabled too so it is a very good fit for me. In older societies I would possibly have been the village wise woman but as you know many women like me were murdered as 'witches' in the middle ages. In psychological tradition it is now called projection, people 'seeing in others, their own darkness'. Another term is 'the shadow self'. The pressure on global resources due to the human population will be regulated by Mother Nature. Women soak up all the environmental toxicity and then pass it on to their children. It takes a very strong woman to say no, this idea is disgusting and not many societies give women a voice at all. Literally the stress causes changes to hormone levels and to the genetic coding and babies are affected. When I had my baby the midwives noted how many were aware and awake wheras they used to be born with eyes shut. Hope this makes sense. Want to digest post about solar plasma linkages and will respond. Nature does not waste useful patterning, does it link in with yr research re neurological functioning and electrons/the human electricity system ?
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          Mitch SMith 50+

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          Dec 15 2012: Hi Elizabeth,

          We are way off topic, but the exploration is valuable.

          The call and answer .. I like the Waulking songs.. the shanties and the tunes that capture the waves at teh shore.
          The children are young and will create a new language, as they always have done. They must do it to exlude the influence of old words that apply to an old world in decline.
          The old sift and sort old words in hope that one day they will be asked.
          Some words are timeless, the children will discover them, just as we did - either from your mouth, or mine, or another - or they will discover them in their own mouths.
          A computer is a tool. A fragment. It will become the limb of a self - that self might be human, but need not be so. But there is a problem:
          Most my life, I was able to push my awarenes into musical instruments, machines and circuits - feel them like my own hand, my own eyes. This is not remarkable - we now know that we can map anything in our brains. But I have observed as computers have thrown up barriers and no longer admit us - we are allowed "apps" which are small transient windows, and we no longer control them. They are now at the behest of the new priesthood - super-scribes who's craft is impenetrable. At one time - i was one. But now, there is no single human who knows what goes on in a computer. Another course of high stones in the rickety tower.
          As for the world - I can smell it, I can feel it. And today, my wife learned how to tune a cheap AM radio to the gap between stations and use it to detect teh apalling amount of RF radiation coming from everything in our house and beyond. We are in a murky mud of radiation - and keep that damn cell phone away from your head - that's microwaves - the end-point of entropy - and it will take you down with it. I knew this when I was working for telcos - watched the cancers develop in friends.
          http://www.ted.com/talks/douglas_adams_parrots_the_universe_and_everything.html
          The yellow-river dolphins.
          (contd.)
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          Dec 15 2012: We might be eagles - but the world is now one big farm.
          So we respond as wolves in farmers' clothing and tend that corner of teh farm over shadowed in weed and woods - the places where the sheep and the dogs fear to go.
          Let us set skulls on sticks about this place, paint our faces in wode and learn the arts of invisibility.
          The sea life .. yes, but the acidity will ensure that most those species remain undiscovered. And then, there is the life below the sea and below the land - it is more biomass than that above. did you know that? and did you know that that is already invaded - by the synthetic bacteria designed to extract oil - look at craig venters shamefully dishonest anouncement here on TED - he has driven the mass extinction to those places below, and we will have to live with the methane now.
          When you add that unanounced consequence with the altered ionic balance .. the next flood will not be water.
          The genes ensure nothing - don't fall to that trap. The genes only define risks - the choices we make in life determine if those risks fall on us. The device of adiction is the combination of dopamine with PosB. There are genetic variances of susceptibility to this vector, but for myself I will be looking at the extension of proto-self regulators into the autobiographical-self matrix - I believe it is there that excessive behaviour will be found along with erroneous world-views - not in the genes.
          Babies are beign exposed to a lot of RF in the womb - the pineal cannot tell the difference between naturakl light and radio frequencies and this affectst eh production of melatonin - which is the primary agent for neutralising free radicals created by cell division .. free radicals damage DNA. They also come from cooked things and poorly manufactured plastics. It is a wonderful thing that any life still survives - but there you go, the power of adaptation is truly impressive.
          Google Helen Caldicot - we have other things to think on.

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