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Roger Farinha

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Should Israel go all out?

Israel clearly exists as a nation on the basis of its claim to have been given its traditional land borders by the revelation of the one true God. Compromise therefore doesn't make sense. "In for a penny, in for a pound." Should Israel just chuck in its tiptoeing around the various international and Arab demands, take its original borders, and let its very existence rest on the promise of God? To me, this is the only rational option, given the very identity of the Jewish people. What say you?

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    Nov 22 2012: Well, if you can prove that God gave the Biblical land of Israel to the children of Abraham, and that Abraham's God still wants modern-day Jews to own the land - meaning: show me your God - then you could stand firm in your position and have my support.

    If you can prove that by breaking (rejecting) the covenant - Jews leaving the land and selling themselves into slavery in Egypt - they are still entitled to the land, you could get me to listen.

    If you can explain why God kept removing the Jews from the land (as in Babylonian exile), I would also listen.

    Israel exists today because England went back on its word. That land was promised to the Arabs in exchange for their help in the Ottoman War. Because Jews were so hated in Europe and elsewhere, Europe wanted them to move, so England reneged on its promise and gave Jews land that had not been theirs for thousands of years. Seeing as Germany lost WWII (and in such a vile way), why didn't the powers that be give Germany to the Jews as their homeland? Why give them land that was populated by another people.

    You appear to be unaware that Jews and Arabs lived peacefully on that land for 1400 years. Now it's a hornets' nest. Is that the doing of your God as well, or just of the view of the Nazi-like Xtians who have helped make it so?

    If you are willing to allow Israel's existence to rest on the promise of God, then you should be in full support of our not giving Israel any more money and our staying out of Israel's business. Break the treaty that is endangering us. Let God defend it if God wants it defended.
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      Nov 22 2012: Regardless of the details of how Israel came to be as a nation again, I go back to the original Jewish texts of God giving these lands. When Israel kept loosing its land, you might say this is proof that God is not with them, or you might take their prophets' words on face value--that it is because they failed to adhere to God absolutely. So this is all the more reason that they should adhere to God absolutely today, and go all out. And prove, once and for all, if God is really with them.

      To be a real Jew would be to have the biggest cajones in all the earth! I repeat, this is only LOGIC speaking...
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        Nov 22 2012: What LOGIC????? I don't see any in your post or in your response.
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          Nov 22 2012: Logical train of thought:

          IF God gave the Jews such and such land, AND God is the one true God, then the Jews should take Him on face value, and not let any amount of HUMAN opinions and pressures dictate their compromising.
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        Nov 23 2012: If you are going to use the Bible as a basis, then god gave that land to the children of Abraham - which includes the Arabs.

        If God gave Israel to any group of people, then God should sort it all out. Do you agree with stopping all foreign aid and breaking our defense treaty with Israel, so that God can do his own handiwork?
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          Nov 23 2012: Again, I'm not personally espousing any action in particular--only taking things to a logical conclusion. In this respect, yes, all the premises would line up to leaving Israel to it's own devices-- inasmuch, again, it rests on the supposed promise of the one true and omnipotent God.
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      Nov 26 2012: Actually you can not even prove the god of the bible exists, or any other gods or goddesses.
      Its all apparently a sad delusion, a human conceptual construction.

      If there is an god and it happens to be correctly interpreted by one group on people and it gave some land to them.....not a great starting premise is it?

      What if the Buddhists have it right, and gods are irrelevant to our escaping the cycle of reincarnation?

      If the Buddhists are correct, then the Israeli government would be better to deal with reality and not base their actions on their cultural myths.

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