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If you tell a lie and it becomes the truth, does it matter that you once lied?

In the way that some people questions whether or not the ends justify the means, I'm wondering if you tell a lie and it becomes the truth, does it matter that you once lied?

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    elizabeth muncey 10+

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    Nov 18 2012: Lots of interesting thoughts about 'lie' somehow being the opposite of truth. Would like to suggest maybe everyone has their own truth and it is re-inforced by finding others with similar ideas of 'truth'. Maybe question something to do with consequences of statements. Familiar with the saying 'lies, damned lies and statistics' ? Words very open to misinterpretation as multiple layers of meanings, numbers seemingly unambiguous but still capable of being manipulated in the interpretation of end result. Hence scientific experiments always seem to have a 'control' sample as if somehow this would be absolute proof of reactions in other samples. Idea from psychology is 'ripple effect' or 'butterfly' effect. Ownership of consequences of own actions is either brave or foolhardy. Actions always have consequences.

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      Nov 18 2012: Truth is not found in ideas, and needs no reinforcement.
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        elizabeth muncey 10+

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        Nov 20 2012: Truth is not found in ideas - agree hypothesis always need rigourous investigation and testing before unleashing wild inaccurancies into the world.

        Truth needs no reinforcement - really would hope so but own lived experience often to the contrary.

        Bonus day, thank you for the feedback.

        References: George Orwell '1984', Gilbert and Sullivan 'Utopia (Ltd).
        Summer research: Cultural etiology and artefacts
        Peer supervision always useful !!
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        elizabeth muncey 10+

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        Nov 20 2012: Further info:

        Maths theory sum is always greater than it's constituent parts.

        Psychology theory - Gestalt - a person is multi-faceted and more than just the sum of their lived experience, personal pain always to be acknowledged as part of person's 'shadow-side' due to consequences on adult persona.

        Personal belief systems always to be evaluated as part of personal kit-bag of resilience in testing times. Person's own self-awareness enhanced by peer feedback as long as peer feedback valid and not just one shadow answering another.

        Well aware of own personal shadow due to family constellation in real time. BTW humour 'cultural conditioning' - going to find appropriate research paper but discussed in 2008 in U.K. media.

        Further reading: (sorry not great referencing but academic paper) 'Is Fat still a Feminist Issue? The Selling of Hope, Fear and Resistance at the Movies' , L. Friend and L. Westgate, Waikato Management School, University of Waikato.

        Paper about resonance of cultural values in cultural products. Academic analysis of Shrek etc.

        Not N.Z. as in Philip Schofield BTW N.Z. as in carefully, researched, debated hypothesis not flash and dash.

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