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Roberto Sciffo

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Debate: Do vaccines work or are they just another money making tool in a trillion dollar industry?

There is much debate regarding vaccination; imposing on an individual's rights, questionable proof as to their effectiveness, and possible links to neurological diseases like epilepsy and autism.

Vaccines act like a type of homoeopathic remedy in the sense that the 'bug' is introduced into the body so that the autoimmune system may produce anti-bodies to protect against the 'bug'.

But, as far as I can tell, the germ theory was debated in early 1900's and disproved in the 1950's, therefore voiding all need for fighting 'bugs'.

So do vaccines actually work? What proof is there? Or is it more for big profit for big pharma?

I am open to all sides of the story!


Closing Statement from Roberto Sciffo

Thank you all for your contributions. It was a great learning experience, and I am sorry to have missed the last day of commenting due to work. I would have enjoyed commenting on you all individually.

We have heard both sides of the story. Pro-vaccination are happy because it provides safety to us and our children, and the statistics that indicate the effectiveness of the vaccine, and Stephan's comments as to how they work.

We are faced however with a 'small' number of people who have had their children come about with symptoms of reduced development progress through to epilepsy and autism.

We have also wondered whether so many vaccines so soon in life a a great idea, considering the fact that the aluminum levels exceed the 'allowed' amount.

The fact that the heavy metals are toxic and are known to promote dis-ease in the body, is something that I can not stress the importance of enough.

The World Health Organization noted as early as 1974 that heavy metal and chemical toxicity were at the cause of most chronic degenerative diseases.

I appreciate Linda Taylor for her research into what I have stated, and her challenges, will add:
1) the mean size of the zeolites are 0.3 microns therefore able to pass into the blood stream.
2) if you are to perform a detox, it needs to be done in stages so as to make it safe. Little of this information is available online.
3) the study you quote done on zeolites, please send me the link to the study as I would like to investigate it and see what the company has to say. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
4) You quote ' Rock that absorb toxins especially ammonia, might be of value' - Zeolites as well as chlorella have been
use since the 80's I believe, in waste water treatment plants for that very reason, both performing as far as I can tell, equally well at about 50% removal. Both are being used as detox mediums as well.

Thank you all and I hope we have all learned a great deal from this debate. Wishing us all the best!

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    Nov 14 2012: OMG, Linda! You´ve said enough down there.
    "Humanities are boring and dull. Who cares who did what to whom and when and what arose from it. There is no practical application to any of it outside it's own little world and little thinkers" OMG!! No wonder the world has only evolved technologically!! This is sooooo very sad to read. I really don´t have the strength to convince you otherwise, because, yes, you are not prepared to see some things, sorry. Keep questioning your own beliefs and perhaps one day you´ll see the light. No disrespect intented, just a lot of sadness.
    And again you´re falling in the trap: "try to get a job with a humanities degree", as if getting a job was the ultimate goal of human existence. Please listen to Ken Robinson´s talks. He puts it so much better than me. You might start to change your mind a tiny tiny tiny tiny little bit. Good luck!
    • Nov 14 2012: I read Linda's remarks and my interpretation is the following.
      Humanities are boring because they are not science. They are soft wishy washy descriptive "somethings" that are not rigorous, can't predict anything and seem only to know what happens in the past tense.
      The reason why we have developed technologically and not socially (much) is because of this failing of the humanities. It's not our fault (scientists), its your fault (humanitists).
      Read a math textbook and get to work.
      Sir Kenneth is saying that education's ultimate goal was to get you a job when you got a degree. It should not be and probably isn't any more (we just haven't realized it yet). He is also saying that this particular approach stifles creativity and I agree with him. That still does not make the humanities interesting
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        Nov 14 2012: This is not the battle of science against humanities, I hope. I think science is necessary. What I don´t understand is why, after this chaotic and unhappy world, you keep believing that the solution for everything is sicence. It´s like some people´s religion. OMG! If you don´t see the importance of humanities, then it´s your problem. Like I said, I won´t be able to convince you of something, when the fact is that you´re blind to it. The problem why we have developed techonologically and not as humans is the fault of all the people like you who never gave a second thought to his beliefs. When I was 16, I believed the same as you do now. Since then, I´d like to think that I´ve kept using my brain, that I´ve evolved a little bit. Perhaps because I decided to go for a humanities degree which helped me question more things and see the whole picture. When I say humanities I include everything that is not techonology or science: art, in any form, history, philosophy, ethics, languages...you name it. I´m going to do one last effort here and I´m going to get as close as I can to your way of thinking, Do you think that linguistics is useless and boring? Do you know anything about it? Do you think that much of the development on voice recognition systems and translators and so on and so forth could have taken place just because there were people that knew a lot about microchips? Do you know Chomsky or Pinker? Do you know they work at MIT? Soft wishy washy what??? As for education of humanities, there is an excellent movie called "La educación prohibida", which perhaps might open your eyes, only it´s in Spanish. I don´t think that the humanities teachers are any worse than the science teachers. But Linda and you have been braniwashed to believe, humanites are some worthless things we have there for forklore, for entertaiment because the education system was created to produce qualified workers, and that´s exactly what we have.
        • Nov 14 2012: OK. You covered a lot of territory there so let me make a list.
          I have read everything the Chomsky has written and listened to most of his lectures. I have read most of what Pinker has written (he's a little long winded). Yes I know they work at MIT.
          No, I am not interested in linguistics because my brain is not wired in that way (I have no talent in that regard)
          History is boring in the way that it is taught. As a research topic it is facinating and I study History all the time. (you cant listen to Chomsky without being dragged there regardless).
          Both Kenneth Robinson and Noam Chomsky have interesting things to say on Education (Chomsky more pessimestic, Robinson more optimistic). I agree that the current model was created to support the industrial revolution and it is becoming more and more useless as a measurement of achievement, etc.
          I believe that education should be self directed, discovery based without peer groups and age buckets for students to live in. The arts should be as important as math in school
          Without realizing it at the time, my own education followed that path and I found it very rewarding.
          My poor opinion of the humanities does not come from a low opinion of it because it is useless, but rather that it is vital but could do better.
          We need engineering thinking in social interaction and education and history. We need help to deal with 7 billion people on this planet, political forces beyond our current understanding, and economic system in tatters and astrophysics will not help that.
          The humanities will but they need to step up to the plate. If you are getting a degree in the humanities then its up to your generation to fix what my generation has screwed up.
          I am sorry, I will never see the movie you mention as I have no hope of ever speaking spanish.

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