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Debate: Do vaccines work or are they just another money making tool in a trillion dollar industry?

There is much debate regarding vaccination; imposing on an individual's rights, questionable proof as to their effectiveness, and possible links to neurological diseases like epilepsy and autism.

Vaccines act like a type of homoeopathic remedy in the sense that the 'bug' is introduced into the body so that the autoimmune system may produce anti-bodies to protect against the 'bug'.

But, as far as I can tell, the germ theory was debated in early 1900's and disproved in the 1950's, therefore voiding all need for fighting 'bugs'.

So do vaccines actually work? What proof is there? Or is it more for big profit for big pharma?

I am open to all sides of the story!

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Thank you all for your contributions. It was a great learning experience, and I am sorry to have missed the last day of commenting due to work. I would have enjoyed commenting on you all individually.

We have heard both sides of the story. Pro-vaccination are happy because it provides safety to us and our children, and the statistics that indicate the effectiveness of the vaccine, and Stephan's comments as to how they work.

We are faced however with a 'small' number of people who have had their children come about with symptoms of reduced development progress through to epilepsy and autism.

We have also wondered whether so many vaccines so soon in life a a great idea, considering the fact that the aluminum levels exceed the 'allowed' amount.

The fact that the heavy metals are toxic and are known to promote dis-ease in the body, is something that I can not stress the importance of enough.

The World Health Organization noted as early as 1974 that heavy metal and chemical toxicity were at the cause of most chronic degenerative diseases.

I appreciate Linda Taylor for her research into what I have stated, and her challenges, will add:
1) the mean size of the zeolites are 0.3 microns therefore able to pass into the blood stream.
2) if you are to perform a detox, it needs to be done in stages so as to make it safe. Little of this information is available online.
3) the study you quote done on zeolites, please send me the link to the study as I would like to investigate it and see what the company has to say. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
4) You quote ' Rock that absorb toxins especially ammonia, might be of value' - Zeolites as well as chlorella have been
use since the 80's I believe, in waste water treatment plants for that very reason, both performing as far as I can tell, equally well at about 50% removal. Both are being used as detox mediums as well.

Thank you all and I hope we have all learned a great deal from this debate. Wishing us all the best!

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    Nov 14 2012: Dear Linda,
    I believe your theory of needing heat to cause an ionic exchange is questionable. Ever magnetized iron?

    That one assumption is causing the rest to fall. And placing such theories online is not a good idea.

    Do you actually think that there are a group of individuals running about with autistic kids or skin disorders or a host of other symptoms who just want to make money off volcanic rock? Are you serious?

    Rather than just working online, and making assumptions about how things work, contact Touchstone Essentials directly, and ask to talk to Dr. Tracy Holdford the Chief Science Officer who holds the following degrees:

    Ph.D. Inorganic Chemistry
    Ph.D. Organic Chemistry
    Ph.D. Biochemistry
    Ph.D. Nuclear Physics
    Ph.D. Theology & Philosophy

    Then talk to the people who have had their lives change from eating rock.

    Unless you really know how the body works, and that includes biochemistry and bio-energy (biological terrain management) to start with, and add to that the states of mind etc., then stop, listen, get educated, and even try the product (as it is so inert that it should do nothing to your system).

    Then comment.
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      Nov 14 2012: "Do you actually think that there are a group of individuals running about with autistic kids or skin disorders or a host of other symptoms who just want to make money off volcanic rock? Are you serious?"

      Absolutely.

      "Unless you really know how the body works, and that includes biochemistry and bio-energy"

      Actually I do. That is why I am relatively sure you are simply exchanging Na+ and K+ for H+ in gastric contents. Haven't done any experiments but that would be my hypothesis.

      If you notice, NONE of the websites say that Dr. Holdford endorses the product. Only that he is a consultant.

      Did you notice what his research is on?
      Ph.D. Theology and Philosophy
      Honors Dissertation: “The Spiritual Gap between Culture and Religion.”.............. 1991
      Ph.D. Inorganic Chemistry
      Honors Dissertation: “The Role of Sulfites in Manufacturing
      Submicron Geometries for the Electronics Industries.”............................................ 1981
      Ph.D. Biochemistry
      Honors Dissertation: “Krebs Cycle Failure in Null Gravity.”.................................. 1981
      Ph.D. Nuclear Physics
      Honors Dissertation: “Isotope Stabilization Options for
      Tactical Nuclear Weapons in Charged Atmosphere Conditions.”............................. 1980
      PhD Organic Chemistry
      Honors Dissertation: “The Role of Organic Sulfur
      in the Manufacturing of Polymer Isolates.”............................................................. 1979

      Not a SINGLE one has to do with humans except perhaps the Krebs cycle. He worked for the department of defense and does NOT hold a medical degree.

      And even then, he states that the product probably does not work.

      "If the zeolite can’t enter the bloodstream then it has to stay in the colon where it is limited to the
      exposure to toxins for removal. Our bodies are extremely efficient at storing toxins in the
      fatty tissues of our bodies."

      Which I noted several postings ago.

      Magic beans.
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      Nov 14 2012: Now here is something from the white paper that might work.

      "More recently, Pavelic et al have demonstrated that the lymphocytes from lymph
      nodes of mice that were fed for 28 days with micronized zeolite clinoptilolite
      provoked a significantly higher allogeneic graft-versus-host reaction than did
      lymphocytes in control mice. After the mice were administered clinoptilolite
      intraperitoneally, the number of peritoneal macrophages increased significantly, as
      did their superoxide anion production."

      It is a direct quote from one of the research articles. What might work is the fact that this study placed the rocks within the peritoneal space. When the liver is overloaded or malfunctions, excess fluid accumulates in the peritoneal space. Rock that absorb toxins especially ammonia, might be of value. If it could be made into a mesh of some sort or if it was instilled and withdrawn. Hypovolemia would be the make or break on this one.

      But I do not know how to tell you there is no chance that ingested volcanic rock is going to remove heavy metals from the body tissues when ingested via the gut. Even the white paper states the heavy metal has to come in direct contact with the zeolyte to bond with it. The body just does not work like that.

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