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Debate: Do vaccines work or are they just another money making tool in a trillion dollar industry?

There is much debate regarding vaccination; imposing on an individual's rights, questionable proof as to their effectiveness, and possible links to neurological diseases like epilepsy and autism.

Vaccines act like a type of homoeopathic remedy in the sense that the 'bug' is introduced into the body so that the autoimmune system may produce anti-bodies to protect against the 'bug'.

But, as far as I can tell, the germ theory was debated in early 1900's and disproved in the 1950's, therefore voiding all need for fighting 'bugs'.

So do vaccines actually work? What proof is there? Or is it more for big profit for big pharma?

I am open to all sides of the story!

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Closing Statement from Roberto Sciffo

Thank you all for your contributions. It was a great learning experience, and I am sorry to have missed the last day of commenting due to work. I would have enjoyed commenting on you all individually.

We have heard both sides of the story. Pro-vaccination are happy because it provides safety to us and our children, and the statistics that indicate the effectiveness of the vaccine, and Stephan's comments as to how they work.

We are faced however with a 'small' number of people who have had their children come about with symptoms of reduced development progress through to epilepsy and autism.

We have also wondered whether so many vaccines so soon in life a a great idea, considering the fact that the aluminum levels exceed the 'allowed' amount.

The fact that the heavy metals are toxic and are known to promote dis-ease in the body, is something that I can not stress the importance of enough.

The World Health Organization noted as early as 1974 that heavy metal and chemical toxicity were at the cause of most chronic degenerative diseases.

I appreciate Linda Taylor for her research into what I have stated, and her challenges, will add:
1) the mean size of the zeolites are 0.3 microns therefore able to pass into the blood stream.
2) if you are to perform a detox, it needs to be done in stages so as to make it safe. Little of this information is available online.
3) the study you quote done on zeolites, please send me the link to the study as I would like to investigate it and see what the company has to say. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
4) You quote ' Rock that absorb toxins especially ammonia, might be of value' - Zeolites as well as chlorella have been
use since the 80's I believe, in waste water treatment plants for that very reason, both performing as far as I can tell, equally well at about 50% removal. Both are being used as detox mediums as well.

Thank you all and I hope we have all learned a great deal from this debate. Wishing us all the best!

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    Nov 9 2012: Thank you John. The basis of biology is fine, yet incomplete in my understanding. Just changing the pH of the body will set up a completely different reaction to the same stimulus for example, and therefore the body as a system, is not solely concerned with biology but other factors as well.

    Take for example red wine. Why does it have different effects on different people, or even on the same person at different times in life?

    Or even after hypnosis for example, or even a detox, an allergy may go away. Or we can hear about something and develop symptoms from it (or lack thereof).

    Biology is great in a closed environment, but human beings do not exist in closed environments.
    • Nov 10 2012: you can't change the body's pH. we have a buffer system to prevent that from happening. whoever told you that didn't even get to high school level biology.

      wine has the same effect on everybody at every time. the variation comes with what we have eaten and our metabolic rate, which means the wine's effects will happen slower or faster.

      hypnosis and detox don't make allergies go away. they are psychosomatic cures that allow people to ignore the effects of an allergy such as itchiness. that's why they only work on 40% of the population, and don't work at all on serious cases where hospitalization is required. try to hypnotize someone who's suffering severe swelling from being bitten by a bee - they will still be gasping for breath (though they might possibly feel better about it!).

      biology is a closed environment. the earth is the system. that's why things such as virus transmission (ie thing happening between people) get studied.
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        Nov 10 2012: whoever said it to him might not have a degree in biology, but probably earns loads of money. this is the bases, fyi, of the charlatanism known as "alkaline diet". fits in this conversation, i must add.
        • Nov 10 2012: that's a good point. a lot of this rubbish comes about through ignorance (which in this day and age with the availability of information is even less forgivable) but a lot of it too is the knowledgeable taking the ignorant for fools, and we know how easy such are parted from their money!
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      Nov 10 2012: I have never seen an allergy go away with detox. I have seen it go away with desensitization. That's why allergy shots work.

      I have also seen allergies precipitate from chelation therapy if that is what you mean by detox. New allergies can develop after the therapy.

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