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Debate: Do vaccines work or are they just another money making tool in a trillion dollar industry?

There is much debate regarding vaccination; imposing on an individual's rights, questionable proof as to their effectiveness, and possible links to neurological diseases like epilepsy and autism.

Vaccines act like a type of homoeopathic remedy in the sense that the 'bug' is introduced into the body so that the autoimmune system may produce anti-bodies to protect against the 'bug'.

But, as far as I can tell, the germ theory was debated in early 1900's and disproved in the 1950's, therefore voiding all need for fighting 'bugs'.

So do vaccines actually work? What proof is there? Or is it more for big profit for big pharma?

I am open to all sides of the story!

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Closing Statement from Roberto Sciffo

Thank you all for your contributions. It was a great learning experience, and I am sorry to have missed the last day of commenting due to work. I would have enjoyed commenting on you all individually.

We have heard both sides of the story. Pro-vaccination are happy because it provides safety to us and our children, and the statistics that indicate the effectiveness of the vaccine, and Stephan's comments as to how they work.

We are faced however with a 'small' number of people who have had their children come about with symptoms of reduced development progress through to epilepsy and autism.

We have also wondered whether so many vaccines so soon in life a a great idea, considering the fact that the aluminum levels exceed the 'allowed' amount.

The fact that the heavy metals are toxic and are known to promote dis-ease in the body, is something that I can not stress the importance of enough.

The World Health Organization noted as early as 1974 that heavy metal and chemical toxicity were at the cause of most chronic degenerative diseases.

I appreciate Linda Taylor for her research into what I have stated, and her challenges, will add:
1) the mean size of the zeolites are 0.3 microns therefore able to pass into the blood stream.
2) if you are to perform a detox, it needs to be done in stages so as to make it safe. Little of this information is available online.
3) the study you quote done on zeolites, please send me the link to the study as I would like to investigate it and see what the company has to say. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
4) You quote ' Rock that absorb toxins especially ammonia, might be of value' - Zeolites as well as chlorella have been
use since the 80's I believe, in waste water treatment plants for that very reason, both performing as far as I can tell, equally well at about 50% removal. Both are being used as detox mediums as well.

Thank you all and I hope we have all learned a great deal from this debate. Wishing us all the best!

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  • Nov 9 2012: Here in the Netherlands polio has virtually been eliminated decades ago, but once in a while there are still small outbreaks, almost always in very religious communities who refuse to have their children vaccinated (and our idiot government grants that wish instead of putting them on trial for child abuse), communities that make up a very small percentage of the general population. That's pretty solid evidence for the effectiveness of vaccines.

    There are medicines that barely work and are just a cashcow for pharmaceutical companies, but those are either for mental illnesses (that are very vaguely defined) or end-of-life stuff for terminal patients, stuff that's not going to heal you anyway, vaccines are not among these medicines.
    • Nov 10 2012: Given a choice between letting the religious nutters "abusing" their own children by not vaccinating them, and forcing me to vaccinate myself or my own kids against the useless flu vaccines, (or whatever else is fashionable later) I prefer to let the nutters have their way. Of course, if the nutters infect me, they will pay for it ;-)

      Pharmaceutical companies do not have an entirely clean track-record either. Their own records range from vitamin cartels (http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2001/nov/21/personalfinancenews.europeanunion) to fake research journals. (Cartels are caused by regulations that result in high barriers of entry due to regulations, and fake journals are caused by the powerful monopolies created by overly generous patent-laws.)
      • Nov 10 2012: Polio, P O L I O, that's what I wrote about, not the flu. And please don't pretend like you're not doing any forcing when you decide to not give your infant child a vaccination for such a serious disease as polio.

        "Of course, if the nutters infect me, they will pay for it ;-)"

        Yeah, it's funny now, until you really do get polio...
      • Nov 10 2012: john smith is absolutely right when he calls failure to prevent a deadly disease child abuse. it's terrible that so many people cannot grasp the concept of a restriction on freedom actually giving us more freedom. we're not free to drive on whatever side of the road we choose either yet nobody gets upset about having that freedom curtailed, mostly because it gives us the freedom to get to our destination without incident.

        you make a good point about pharmaceutical companies working for their on profits. however your logic is flawed. if fake journals exist that doesn't mean no journals can be trusted, and likewise if a pharmaceutical company is being dishonest about vitamins that doesn't mean that vaccinations are also suspect.

        really there is anti-profit in making vaccinations because then a disease is cured which deprives companies of the profit they would otherwise make from providing a lifetime supply of treatments. in the past it was university-based researchers who worked on a set salary who freed mankind from so many of these killers, and that's what we should return to.
        • Nov 10 2012: fake journals exist = all journals are untrustworthy???
          Please re-read what I wrote.

          People choosing what they think is best for their children = endangering OUR lives (not their childrens') by driving on the wrong side of the road?

          And you want to talk to me about not grasping concepts?

          dishonest about vitamins? I just can't figure out how you contorted my words to extrude THIS meaning. Please do read the article I linked.

          I won't even attempt to address your last paragraph.

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