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Debate: Do vaccines work or are they just another money making tool in a trillion dollar industry?

There is much debate regarding vaccination; imposing on an individual's rights, questionable proof as to their effectiveness, and possible links to neurological diseases like epilepsy and autism.

Vaccines act like a type of homoeopathic remedy in the sense that the 'bug' is introduced into the body so that the autoimmune system may produce anti-bodies to protect against the 'bug'.

But, as far as I can tell, the germ theory was debated in early 1900's and disproved in the 1950's, therefore voiding all need for fighting 'bugs'.

So do vaccines actually work? What proof is there? Or is it more for big profit for big pharma?

I am open to all sides of the story!

Topics: autism epilepsy heavy metal toxicity vaccination
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Closing Statement from Roberto Sciffo

Thank you all for your contributions. It was a great learning experience, and I am sorry to have missed the last day of commenting due to work. I would have enjoyed commenting on you all individually.

We have heard both sides of the story. Pro-vaccination are happy because it provides safety to us and our children, and the statistics that indicate the effectiveness of the vaccine, and Stephan's comments as to how they work.

We are faced however with a 'small' number of people who have had their children come about with symptoms of reduced development progress through to epilepsy and autism.

We have also wondered whether so many vaccines so soon in life a a great idea, considering the fact that the aluminum levels exceed the 'allowed' amount.

The fact that the heavy metals are toxic and are known to promote dis-ease in the body, is something that I can not stress the importance of enough.

The World Health Organization noted as early as 1974 that heavy metal and chemical toxicity were at the cause of most chronic degenerative diseases.

I appreciate Linda Taylor for her research into what I have stated, and her challenges, will add:
1) the mean size of the zeolites are 0.3 microns therefore able to pass into the blood stream.
2) if you are to perform a detox, it needs to be done in stages so as to make it safe. Little of this information is available online.
3) the study you quote done on zeolites, please send me the link to the study as I would like to investigate it and see what the company has to say. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
4) You quote ' Rock that absorb toxins especially ammonia, might be of value' - Zeolites as well as chlorella have been
use since the 80's I believe, in waste water treatment plants for that very reason, both performing as far as I can tell, equally well at about 50% removal. Both are being used as detox mediums as well.

Thank you all and I hope we have all learned a great deal from this debate. Wishing us all the best!

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    David Fuchs

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    Nov 9 2012: Vaccines actually work for the most part. In rare incidents they actually do the opposite of what they are supposed to. The H1N1 vaccine supposedly caused a higher rate deaths of an unrelated virus (Canadian researcher??).

    If you look at the rates of small pox, polio, mumps, and HPV the people vaccinated have way lower rates of occurrence. Have you ever met anyone in the US or EU that has had Polio, or small pox?

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      Roberto Sciffo

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      Nov 9 2012: Yes, but the diseases were on their way out in any case. In fact, statistically, their disappearance has been hindered after introducing the vaccines.

      I am not sure why.

      My question really is, are they necessary today? Just look at the rise of 'new' diseases.. ADD etc... what is going on there? Why are they coming about? It certainly is not genetic as between 1996 and 2007 the cases of autism in children in the US has risen 5 times. In fact 1 in 88 children in the US are not diagnosed autistic, a number that was at 1 in 1000 a few decades earlier.

      It would be important to know what the cause is.
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        David Fuchs

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        Nov 9 2012: Since you seem to be worried about autism. There was an article written recently that made a connection between the age of the father of a child and the rates of Autism. The older the father the higher the rate of autism and schizophrenia.

        google this "age of father and autism"

        http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/health/fathers-age-is-linked-to-risk-of-autism-and-schizophrenia.html
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          Roberto Sciffo

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          Nov 9 2012: Thank you David.

          I have read the article with interest.

          My concern in not necessarily autism, but the cause of it. I am coming across case after case of autistic children recovering partially or fully after a safe heavy metal detox, and one of the introduction of these metals are vaccines, which brings me back to the issue of the effectiveness of vaccination.

          It seems to conclude that a lack of proper nutrition, hydration, exercise and increase of toxins contribute to a host of diseases that would otherwise not exist (to today's extent anyway).
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        David Fuchs

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        Nov 9 2012: Actually, if you want to make a correlation, isn't it odd that when china began deploying coal fired power plants in a big way, a few years later autism rates down wind in the US began going up.

        Attributing autism to mercury in vaccines is a fools errand when you have big coal doing US mountain removal and all the downstream (streams, rivers, ponds, lakes) effects, the US coal industry setting the "SAFE" mercury limits via lobbying, and china dumping so much mercury in the air that fish in the great lakes are unsafe to eat.

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