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For those of you who voted for Barack Obama, what were your main reasons for voting for him?

Since this election will make a huge change in the direction of the United States for ever. Clearly the conservative view point did not resonate with half of the voters especially in the swing states. I would like to know what the reasons were for voting for Obama

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Ok out of 152 comments I got 6 answers to my question.

1 answer was to vote against the rich

1 answer was to vote against Romney's intention to let the too big to fail fail and the jobs that would be lost

3 answers were because Romney did not respect women or pro choice

1 answer was because Romney represented lost jobs.

So to read into it a little with Women it was about pro choice

With men it was about jobs

In my experience this is typically what the left believes.

I do thank you for your forthright answers.

With this stuff the devil is in the details, I get a clear sense of unwillingness to look at the details.

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    Nov 9 2012: I think this article says a lot about what went wrong for the GOP

    http://www.heraldnews.com/newsnow/x303007583/CHARLES-KRAUTHAMMER-Republicans-and-the-way-forward

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      Nov 10 2012: No, he gets it exactly wrong:

      "They [hispanics] should be a natural Republican constituency: striving immigrant community, religious, Catholic, family-oriented and socially conservative (on abortion, for example)."

      It is exactly this infusion of religion into politics that is driving people away from the republican party, women, young people, Asian Americans, scientists, gay people, atheists, all groups who have been alienated by the republican pandering to the batsh*t crazy American Taliban, aka, the evangelical movement. Most Americans don't want the United States to be an evangelical version of Iran, not even the increasingly secular hispanics. There was a time when the republican party was about fiscal conservatism (including keeping military spending within limits), not theocracy and playing santa claus for the rich and major corporations.
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        Nov 10 2012: You are not from the U.S. right?

        Most Hispanics are Catholic. As usual what the hell are you talking about.

        • John Smith 30+

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          Nov 10 2012: "Most Hispanics are Catholic."

          Lol, so are most Germans and Belgians, at least according to the baptism administration of the catholic church, of course most of these people haven't been to a church since they were kids... American hispanics may be a bit more religious than that but their young people stop caring about things like abortion, gay marriage, catholic dogma and even religion itself more and more, as is the general trend in America, following a similar trend in Europe where it started decades ago.
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        Nov 10 2012: I don't know where or who you are, you hide behind pseudonym and are a troll. Since I'm for real and live close to the border in the U.S. which you are not even in the U.S. I'm thinking that have a better take on this than you, what do ya think?
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      Nov 10 2012: You know what Pat? I was just thinking, if china takes Korea and Japan then instead of defending them, Why not open your borders to them enmasse, Ask them to bring all their gold and resources while fighting a fall back stepped action, The states educational gdp level will rise by a tenfold as well as swell your financial system with much needed input, Kangnam style, You guys helped them once and instead of losing lives for someone else with no return, they on the other hand will flourish the States, What's half a billion people soon as opposed to half a billion in the future?

      Business will rock n roll, the only thing that will offend you guys is our innate racism levels that we all have will kick in but that will change as integration takes place over the generations.

      Surprisingly the planet is fracturing, where once you had a perception of countries as a whole unit the reality is that we are becoming more divided, you might not agree with it but more and more these days it's cracking down to the tribal level.
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        Nov 10 2012: It always has been smaller groups the problems begin when the small groups are subjugated to a central authority we call this federalism.
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          Ken brown 30+

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          Nov 10 2012: I come from a small group that in itself is made up of several small groups, a small town that paid bad contractors to build a crappy sewage recycling plant that went billions in the red from incompetent management, that's the best way to describe us.

          I think we are becoming more federal, it certainly looks like it.

          Do you think that if the republican element goes for continued gridlock, will it force O out? and if yes then who is the right man for the job of fielding the parties line?
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        Nov 10 2012: I think I wasn't clear federalism means shared control of the states and the federal government.

        The problem is that at the federal level there is much lower level of accountability, your sewage recycling plant on steroids.

        No O is here for the duration. Yes gridlock is vital. The right man imo would be Marco Rubio because of his popularity with the Hispanics and he is a good dude..
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          Nov 10 2012: 4.6 million people owing about 67 billion = your 16 trillion, We're supposed to hand over surplus to the future gens not the other way round. It's off the top of my head but it's still too much.
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        Nov 10 2012: By my math (which is often wrong) the per capita debt of the U.S. is around $53,000 New Zealand is about 14,500.

        The question is how manageable is the debt what percentage of the revenue does it take to service the debt? Here it could easily be 30% overnight which means either cut a ton of stuff or inflate.

        From the obvious danger here I wonder sometimes if O is being pushed to do this by George Soros who historically makes money by selling short and destroying economies. It is purported that he is the most frequent visitor to the white house.

        Another idea I heard was a push towards a world wide currency that would bail out the entire world. I'm not much on conspiracy but there is more to this story.

        Watch this from about 4 minutes on:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xam_0AJVplo&feature=related

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      Nov 11 2012: where do tolerance and compromise fit in here? Most people know that compromise is not a dirty word.Could that hurt the republican party?

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