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Theodore A. Hoppe


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What is the origin of the idea that a deity created the world?

Many attribute the creationist concept for the world's origin to the Jewish text scribed by Moses, The Book of Genesis, but what was Moses source for this story? Are there other stories about the beginning of the world that predate the Old Testament account? Please provide references and not just speculation.


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    Nov 8 2012: Hi THeo,

    I've seen a lot of discussion on this subject that might indicate the schism that fuels the Creationist phenomenon.
    This line of discussion examines the advent of materialism (all things as clockwork).
    Materialism is relatively recent in its mature form. The materialist viewpoint has, as part of its dynamic, the imbedded concept that all machines are "made".
    This line of reasonimg would place the creationist concept as an artifact of the industrial revolution.
    It's a by-product of the duality caused by the religious mind trying to justify participation in the competitive environment of capitalism.
    Under that definition, all creationists are traitors to their own god .. or have simply swapped their old god for Satan.
    That makes a lot of sense if you define the Judeo/Christin god as a god of abundance with Satan as the god of scarcity. Capitalism as defined by the industrial revolution perfects the art of creating abundance on one hand, and causing scarcity on the other hand by separating abundance from the community through the device of money.
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      Nov 8 2012: Interesting points. I like the African fractals concepts of self organization and wonder how long they have been around.

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        Nov 9 2012: It is clear that chaos dynamics is involved, somehow, in principles of self-organisation.
        The existence of phase-shift in chaotic fractal geometry explains a great many of the phenomena we observe.
        I predict that quantum mechanics will discover that the sub atomic particle differentiations are the result of chaotic phase shifts (if they have not done so already - it's hard to keep up with the avalanche of discovery these days).
        Once these dynamics become more understood and accepted in the gestalt of human knowledge, I also predict that "grain size" will become very important. At that point, we will be examining principles of resonance-based grain-size convergence in all systems. This will re-connect historical observations of harmonics through an identified causality. At that point, we will have an empirical understanding of the word "harmony" in all matters. (based on my observation of "speciation" in the realm of "harmony" that causes some difficulty in gaining clarity of discussion).

        My comments on the origin of "the creator" are influence by my own work with some cross-referrence to the work of Rupert Sheldrake (who I think is wrong, but not by much). He nails it with his analysis of the history of dogma in science - which, by the way is predicted by my model - which asserts that perception is exactly the same as belief - exactly. The words are the same thing. This is amply demonstrated in the phenomenon of neural topological dynamics.

        Anything that has a limit, is capable of chaotic phase shift - ironically, it may be self-limiting - obviating the need for more than one prime principle.

        (edit: the old Jewish god "I am that I am" then has to be extended to state: "I am that I am, but sometimes I get in my own way.". .. )

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