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What is the origin of the idea that a deity created the world?

Many attribute the creationist concept for the world's origin to the Jewish text scribed by Moses, The Book of Genesis, but what was Moses source for this story? Are there other stories about the beginning of the world that predate the Old Testament account? Please provide references and not just speculation.

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    Nov 2 2012: The human desire to rather have meaning than randomness for explanation.

    Deities just cover the scale of our surrounding and our difficulties in its comprehension at a given point in time. History is reference.
    • Nov 2 2012: Man I like what you just wrote...for me your openign remark defines what I just wrote, but yours sums it up wonderfully.

      Given point in time suggests a correction in the now yet we are a community without answers. Do you feel we have answers now?

      We have referenced history our entire existence, as you mentioned in the first sentence...explanation/debate is the social procrastination which offers the illusion of change only and therefor has no meaning or continuation...as if a record skipping...
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        Nov 2 2012: Have we answered the question today, if a 'diety created the world'? No we haven't, but at this 'point in time' we have less need for this question, as there are alternative explanations at hand, in science, which may fill the gap for some people.

        The idea of 'Gods' is a matter of fashion, changed over time and location, and depends only on what people are willing - or forced - to believe. Before Christianization, people who lived in this very area I live in today, believed in a multitude of gods, male and female. Odin, Donar (Thor), Tyr, Freyja, Urth, Sunna, etc. So when monotheism arrived, what happened to all of them? Did they disappear? Did they merge? Have they been an illusion only, all that time and now, since Jesus arrived, we know better? Who says that? What better proof have they than those before?

        You may see were this is leading to, nothing but believe, and believe is changeable, just like fashion is.

        I don't feel we have answers now, today, and science is no substitute for me on this matter. I am agnostic, as I neither have proof for nor against a god, and I consider questions of the sort of 'who created this world, solar system, universe as unrecognizable to our human minds due to the intrinsic nature, structure and limitation of our brains.

        My mind can't even grasp the quantity of one billion units of whatever object, yet I should have confidence to understand the vastness and complexity which surrounds me, and, even more confidence, to have a clue about the cause of it?

        As a five years old I was convinced I could fight a tiger and win. I felt that powerfull. Today I know better what my odds would have been and I also know that I will never get to know those final answers. And just assuming they would exist, I would not be able to understand them.

        This by itself is 'awesome' by its once and original meaning and without the need of any spiritual makeup.

        Any god was more dolphin like today if it was them who made it ...
        • Nov 2 2012: My sentiments exactly
        • Nov 2 2012: Ok most people have given up after fighting with the intelligent s from before us...I am telling you we are all wrong because we were confused at the beginning...if you can please read the following and challenge yourself to comprehend...

          Regardless of what understanding of God you have, our history without all the measurement and debate is a universe,including an entity which at one particular time was struck by a meteor, years later mankind appeared mumbling something about descending from the dust...the events after that although entertainingly loaded with hypocrisy are irrelevant to the number one question...Who told us we descended from the dust...ourselves?

          A possibility; the earth is a living entity which as all living entities it can communicate, with animals we call it instinct which we used to work with in the beginning more so than now. So if this is true, how does it communicate...possibly through the energy that flows through us, inspiring thought which was defined as a voice in the head, religion refers to the energy as spirit.
        • Nov 5 2012: Having no answers and not accepting the answers we have is another...are you sure your correct in assumption?
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        Nov 2 2012: Honestly, I don't understand your point. 'Who told us we descended from the dust...ourselves?' Yes! I don't know about you, but the essence of this phrase I was told by a prist when I was a child. I did not have any 'voice in the head' and no divine inspiration to get to know this concept. So what is the point?

        If you ever watched what happens to a dead animal in nature, its decomposition, all what's left if you wait long enough is nothing but soil or 'dust', if you like, and nothing else. As the same happens to us, it isn't really exceptional to me, how humans got to imagine of what they were made of. If we turn into soil, we probably arise from it. So there is no need for any meteor, god or energy spirit to make us think that way.

        Today it is not even metaphoric to say that we are made of 'stardust', because, that's what we are made of.

        Your given scenario, that earth is communicating with all entities on it proofs what? A god? Self awareness of nature? The concept of interconnectivity? Again I am not getting your point.

        What do you think life connects to if not the surrounding which made it happen? We will not survive on any other planet in our solar-system without the help of technical life support. So what is so mysterious on this fact and to have the need for a god to make this understandable? On this again I can not follow your argument.

        The building blocks of life as we know it is matter. Since Einstein we know about the equivalence of matter and energy, so our life is nothing but energy. Based on energy, driven by energy and dependent on it. So what is mysterious here?

        As humans are animals, we are ruled by our instincts as well. We do not need to be told to breathe and eat, to seek for protection, warmth and affection. That's hardwired within us. And if it isn't, our chance of survival drops dramatically. And even our reproduction is ensured by our instincts, so that our species sustains as long as possible.

        This sheer comlexity does not need a god
        • Nov 5 2012: I thought it obvious, however I have been wrong before, my apologies...I approach the answers to our truth by connecting the information we already have, I further suggest everything we know is based on "a" truth then manipulated, as so I believe there are answers that are unquestionable.

          Imagined or real some of mankind have a connection with an life form they define as God. The dust phrase is also as you suggest apart of that group. They also refer to a energy which surrounds us as a spirit which is apart of God, it's essence if you will. They also claim that this entity defines the emotion "love" and they define it as, "unquestionable acceptance" a world where everything is one (energy).

          So whatever this entity is, it defines the Earth. If there was a connection it was referred to as a voice which would relate to the energy that flows through us, as I claim by way of inspiration of thought working with the sensitivities of the brain and the energy flow.

          I note that all conversation regarding a God relate directly to the Earth, that which gives forth in abundance and that which is everything and everywhere...so completely obvious it's almost blinding to not see it...to me that is...I believe the only reason the obvious is continually missed by most is thought itself governed by characteristics of many types and definitions of course.

          In conclusion I state that the Earth is a living entity which communicated to mankind at the beginning of its evolution by way of introduction of what it is and what it saw humans as (this would also state we are not apart of love but are educated about it based alone on the existence of the Earth and its characteristics that define it)

          I am saying it's wrong to be human, it just is what it is, to be understood, not feared nor denied, unconditional acceptance as it goes!

          Sure hope this helps?
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        Nov 6 2012: No reason to apologize as we are just not sharing the same ideas and concepts on this matter. And there is nothinh wrong with it.

        Personally I have not found any answer which is not questionable regarding the meaning and reason of our existence.

        I am no font of thinking, that all religions, personal believes and spiritual preferences are actually all adressing the SAME and this just on different paths, rituals and names. And I not only dislike this idea, to me it is even unrespectful of those who thereby arrogantly claim to know better. To have a deeper insight of what can not be known anyway.

        'So whatever this entity is, it defines the Earth.' is nothing but an assumption. Fields of energy, connecting us with the universe, flowing through us, forming everything to ONE energy entity is - besides Star Wars - a simple and constructed concept how it 'could' be. But we don't know.

        Your statement, that '..- God relate directly to the Earth ... ' and that it is '... almost blinding to not see it...' may be correct for todays religions, but definitely not for those of the past. The so called and generalized 'paganism' knew perfectly well what 'earth' AND the 'sun' meant to us in terms of our survival and this sort of worshiping, if at all and to me, made the only sense.

        You just need to look at our planet now and what we made out of it and it becomes clear, that this sort of respect is gone. If earth ever communicated with us, as you see it, we certainly lost our ability to listen a very long time ago.

        Earth doesn't need to care about us. It supports us, but not out of free will, but out of the existence of life. Earth doesn't need life either and would move on pretty well, without it.

        Personally I do not consider 'life' as a miracle. It happens where the conditions are suitable for it and from there it keeps fighting for its survival. As humans we could make the best out of it, but apparently and on large scale, we choose not to... Maybe we will, one fine day.

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