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Are increasing laws leading people to abandon their humanity?

Everyday new laws are created to prevent or premote actions, but what about common sense?

I think an intelligent person can agree that there are no absolutes in life. So why is it that we cannot find a way to create one rule, call it the "Golden Rule" (pun intended), and fix the broken system?

Do we really need "laws" to protect us from ourselves? Or laws to proteect our feelings? What happend to self-esteem and common sense?

Why do we make criminals out of people instead of educating them, has the system really given up on people and decided that locking them away is just easier?

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    Oct 30 2012: We don't incarcerate people because we don't want to educate them, or because we think it is easier. People go to prison after episodes of criminal behaviour, often after several repeated offenses. Society obliges criminals who demonstrate clearly by their conduct that they cannot play well with others, like we all learned in kindergarten. We don't need laws to protect us from ourselves, we need laws to protect us from those who prey upon us. There is an ancient, venerated Golden Rule which governs decent, honorable people who exercise common sense. That Rule defines the concept of self-esteem and common sense. The other myriad laws are for all those who find the Golden Rule unworkable.
  • Oct 30 2012: Yes.

    Do we need laws? Maybe not.

    IMO, the function of our current government is to provide a means to wield power. "Protecting" the public from murderers and rapists is a side effect, not its primary purpose. When you look at government this way, much of the insanity that is apparent in our governments starts to make a lame kind of sense. Many of those Catch-22 situations are on purpose.

    It is a simple truth that democracy is a bad form government, it is just the best we have so far.

    We might be able to develop a good government by trying different forms of government on a small scale, perhaps starting with just a few hundred citizens. Bad governments will be abandoned. When a good government emerges people will start moving there and the jurisdiction will grow.

    The first step to forming a good government is to determine its purpose. I know that MY thinking about government is so cluttered up with history and current law that I doubt that I am capable of thinking about government with a fresh blank-page perspective.

    "Are increasing laws leading people to abandon their humanity?" Certainly some people. The fix is very difficult.
    • Oct 30 2012: "We might be able to develop a good government by trying different forms of government on a small scale, perhaps starting with just a few hundred citizens. Bad governments will be abandoned. When a good government emerges people will start moving there and the jurisdiction will grow."

      Many systems stop working well when they grow beyond a few hundred or few thousand people, so it's not as simple as you describe here.
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    Oct 30 2012: i think it's bureaucracy gone mad. why on earth we insist on this form of governing ourselves, I don't know.

    how many times have you contacted a government department and been stonewalled by a phone monkey that has no ability or power to help you?

    how many ministers and politicians are there that have no experience in the field they preside over?

    how many 'registration councils' are there that charge money and set rules to follow in order to "maintain a minimum level of professionalism/competence" but in the end are ineffectual and cumbersome?

    down with bureaucracy and legislating everything out of fear or knee-jerk reactions.
    • Oct 30 2012: I'm sorry but your reply was not to my question but to the one that TED created.
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        Oct 30 2012: if you mean the question written in bold type then my answer is no.

        but there is certainly very little humanity in bureaucracy which is what I was referring to.

        combine this heartless bureaucracy with tracking/spying technology and the future is looking very grim for those of us who have not lost our humanity (which includes human frailty and flaws).

        if someone has been the victim of crime, then it is easier to see that many laws are necessary. I'm not sure why a victim would have sympathy for the perpetrator that showed no sympathy for their victim regardless of the perpetrator's situation, background or lack of education.
  • Nov 6 2012: Right on Lejan.
    To some degree I believe this is true.
    More laws simply make more humans into criminals,so that they can be taken into the system and increase the profits of the business of prisons, which are traded on the Stock Exchange, and in order to remain solvent and grow in profits (don't forget good 'ole competition), they need a steady growth in their customer base. More criminals. Not less.

    Locking them up isn't easier per se, but it is profitable. That's why they're in the business and lying to the public about any goals of helping society. More laws have effectively increased the possibilities that those who believe they are far removed from the law, will wind up in prison. Good, supposed, law-abiding people. It's a trap they will not be able to avoid or escape. Unless and sometimes, they are able to abandon their own humanity to survive.

    So, because everyone is trying to survive, they will be forced into breaking a law for survival, or do something unethical or something most humans wouldn't ordinarily do, were it not for how tightly they are being squeezed, corralled, cornered and controlled.

    The Bible is just such a Pest and has been used for tyranny since its artificial inception and embedded placement into the human psyche. At least in most Western Un-Cultures.
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    Oct 31 2012: You asked, "What happend to self-esteem and common sense?"

    My answer: Religion
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      Oct 31 2012: The 10 commandments are pretty commonsensical. The rest of the Bible pretty much too, honestly. The problem must be somewhere else.
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        Nov 1 2012: Neither the 10 commandments nor the Bible is a source of common sense. And those ideas which are do not need its context.
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        Nov 2 2012: Because it scares if I wasn't drunk for such a statement? In fact, I wasn't. :o)