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Debate: Should we endlessly assist population expansion?

I was intrigued by Magnus Larsson and indeed other TED talkers about helping with the desperate plight of people in Africa, for example the chap assisting with clean water and his 15nm filter.

But being a long view sort of chap, I immediately wonder if the best thing for the dirt poor isn't contraception. This may sound harsh, but I am no eugenics nut, this is not about picking cultures or races.

Also I wish no ill to any living people, they should receive aid, but the biggest taboo in modern science and political strategy seems to be overpopulation.

For anyone not knowing, please look at the world population figures for the past few hundred years, they cannot be overstated.

Simply working on keeping communities alive, finding renewable energies and looking to feed people is treating the symptoms, not the plague. And people, human beings are the plague.

Why is nobody asking questions like, just how many people do we want to support on this planet? Not even - how many can we support?

Now think of a world with 1 billion people. Or less. How's about several hundred million. Those people can live spread across the world according to available resources. We could still improve on our pollutions but decreasing the population seems to me to immediately fix most of the world's problems, and I don't see a down side. Why do those that want children need more than two? And really, why more than one?

Then the other counter to initiatives like Magnus' is, SHOULD we interfere with nature on the scale that he proposes? Do we really think we know the true consequences of something like that? Ask yourself, why is the desert swallowing green belt? Is it because humans interfered?

I have grave concerns that if you feed everyone, and provide their other basic needs through technology, without any cultural revolution, that overpopulation will simply and VERY rapidly throw up the next major problem, and that this may risk life on this planet.


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  • Oct 28 2012: This is how bad it is here in the states.....


    Don't wait for us to address the issue at all. The planet will shrug us off eventually.
    • Oct 28 2012: Wowser, thanks Sharon.

      Yeah, your country takes the biscuit for loons. That's what happens when the craziest religious fruits from all of Europe re-settle and inbreed in the new land. I think the vastness of your wilderness also encourages those inclined to go rather wrong in the headspace.

      But plenty of my favourite intellectual material and "stuff" comes from the same country, like CentOS, Bill Hicks, and TED!

      PS. "contracepting" is not a word, the OED has spoken!

      Check out that cultists youtube page, these people should not be allowed to influence children prior to deprogramming;


      What I don't understand is why these people are trying to promote population increase, because they are not just trying to sell their own people, which obviously aims to increase the subscriptions, which is the game the catholics play, but why encourage everyone to breed in ever increasing numbers? What is the fundamentalist christian angle here?

      For the longest time, I abhorred Christianity and Islam for their most toxic obnoxious subversive illogical lies and dogma. But Joseph Campbell (another American!) told of how it all can be viewed purely as metaphor, and then as such, it is a new age retelling of older spiritualism, not a simple rip off and bastardization of Buddhism and Ancient Egyptian mythology.

      I am more sympathetic to the moderate Jews, they are less certain, and seem more open to the metaphorical interpretations. They seem highly pragmatic, for a religion, and open to dialogue. Though the orthodox Jews, I lump them with the other Abrahamic cults - it's plain child abuse.

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