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If the state is so bad at raising children, how come we allow the state to educate our children?
It's obvious that our educational system is broken, but who is willing to take action to create a new system? Much of learning can be broken down into how much attention does a child get. In a classroom that's almost nil, as a teachers time is spread between 30 students. Studies also clearly show that grading children has a detrimental effect on them. So why do we continue this waste of resources that is also a waste of our children's potential.
What is an alternative to the current method of education. Is there a way to light the fire of children's curiosity rather than smothering it with facts.
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Mitch SMith 50+
This is the outlook of a sociopath. Chidren are not "educated", they get interested and learn for themselves.
A true education consists of getting out of the kid's way and supporting the kid's progress.
The alternative is so dumb-simple that we miss it in our arrogance.
Don Wesley 50+
The purpose of the paid educator, must be to discover what the individual child needs;
and also must discover the sociopath and the psychopaths.
Don
Mitch SMith 50+
You will see in my other writings on this subject some of the things you have demonstrated to me. Namely, the decline of the value of our elders and the emergence of sociopathic attitudes.
The rise of dominance has invaded our world views to such an extent that we discard good fruit for an abhorence of blemish.
This abhorence pervades our attitude towards risk such that the middle-risk path of a healthy life has polarised to the acceptance of tiny risks and cataclysmic risks with nothing in between but the coins on the tables of the money changers.
Such that we dominate our children "for their own good" a good that is illusion - a good predominantly dictated by the violation that has its epicentre in the psychopath.
Had I not seen for my own eyes the fallacy of the world view I was raised in, I would be just as everyone else - polarised and ignorant.
It is plain to me as the nose on my face - children teach themselves - the true dynamic of education is to answer the natural questions of children to our best ability. To follow thir exploration, to clear the way for them and to stop demonising them with notions of original sin or burdening them with our own irational fears.
It's all upside-down - the children teach the parents, not the other way round.
Since I came to that realisation, my own child has taught me more than 1/4 of my lifetime spent in the sadistic purgatory of schools.
I understand the ignorance of the victimised mass, but I can no longer walk in their paths.
And if anyone cares to take the veil off their faces, they might find a better way.
If I can help in that process. I will.
Don Wesley 50+
You made the following statement, and I have a question for you that needs clarification.
“A true education consists of getting out of the kid's way and supporting the kid's progress.”
My question: Is the supporting environment provided by loving parents not part of the child's “true” education?
For me, education starts before birth, in a family home, and not in a State Home. Are you disagreeing with my position?
I respect your comments always, but some need clarification.
Don
Mitch SMith 50+
The supporting environment is essential. Particularly the loving part.
This is something only a parent can truly provide.
There are some teachers who are very supportive and loving, however, the modern school paradigm is not supportive or loving of them - and they have a difficult time.
I have framed my statements to attack the notion of education being the "filling of an empty cup" - which assumes that a child is a passive object to be "sculpted" .. well, perhaps a rock can feel no pain being turned into the statue of David with hammers and chisels, but it's violence when you do it to a kid. My loving but deluded father would say "as the twig is bent so groweth the tree" and used that as an excuse to screw-up me and my siblings .. the quote is true, but who would deliberately bend a twig? He was perverted by the old biblical disaster "spare the rod and spoil the child". As were many - many are still being poisoned by this lie.
The state just wants people in "Jarbs" - listen to Obama and Romney - Mum and Dad - all in Jarbs, peddling their lifes-time, their precious minutes at 10 cents in the dollar to strangers who care nothing for the deficit in the child's nurture.
Jarbs and Money - tokens of slavery - paid for by the poverty of our children.
Don Wesley 50+
Finding the truth with sociopaths, where lies prevail is very difficult.
It seems like your father was a psychopath and that is evil.
I personally acted as a loving Mentor to my children; all three boys, Two catholic and the other protestant. The older protestant boy was the only one to marry. So religion did have a strong influence on their individual codes of behaviour.
Chris the protestant was brought up by me [seven years] exclusively. He believed as I do, in marriage and family.
I was known as a very kind man; that is why I was elected to the school board.
So we do have a big difference in our codes of behaviour and in what we find more believable. I love you for who you are.
I still have yet to find time to learn to play the beautiful whistle [flute] you sent me as a wonderful gift.
Don
Mitch SMith 50+
As I mentioned elsewhere, my arrival at my current world view was a process of observing the fallicy that underpinned what I had been taught and what my father had been taught. The violations.
I have observed elsewhere the mechanics of how violation is passed from generation to generation through assumptions that arrose in psychopathic violations. This is thousands of years old - pre-dating the old testament of the Jews, reflected in their doctrine and compounded by the Roman nationalisation of Paul's christianity that sought to correct and heal the damage.
IF Paul was teh pharisee of pharisees, Constantine was the psychopath of psychopaths.We all work within the frameworks established by our forebares - the opposite of love is not hate - it is harm, and we are all damaged. The psychopath has no love, the sociopath has love, but it is constrained by the generational injury of violation. My father was a loving man straining through the bars of his pain for that love to find voice. As are we all.
I nominate institutionalised "education" as a vector of the ancient harm. I have observed it with my own eyes, and I invite others to embark on the journey beyond the aprobation of accepted dogma and go see for themselves.
Best regards
Mitch
(edit: the flute does not require learning - just playing .. it is a thing of breath)
Don Wesley 50+
I am intrigued by what you suggest, which remains a mystery to me.
What books should I read that would get your approbation?
You say your Dad was loving; but was he nurturing? Or was he lecturing?
All the best to you also.
Mitch SMith 50+
Our parents, siblings and friends trace out the shorline and say of the sea: "here be monsters".
But when you abandon fear or get thrown into it, you find only land underfoot - where everyone insisted otherwise. This is the true "walking on water".
Perhapse there are unknown monsters lurking in the deep, but can they be worse than the ones pointing to false shorelines to keep your back permanently against the wall?
When I was 2 years old, I remember seeng that my father could become a flat thing across which were painted slogans - dead things against which no living truth could pass. This was a sad thing for a 2-year-old .. and that's why I remember it .. the sadness for my father - I could see that his love was just as harmed as mine.
He wasn't perpetuially so, and before his death, had learned to climb down from his plackard .. mostly.
(edit: there is only one book worth reading - it si the unfolding story of your own life .. something that is best read out loud ;)
Don Wesley 50+
I see a human crying out for understanding; a human thrown into an unthinkable abusive situation and crying out to humanity “is there anyone out there who cares about those of us who are suffering in the world; your institutions put us here in this barren land.” Your Dad was helpless, but loved you.
I am being abused as an elder, here in Canada, and crying out for help. The courts of Quebec have [stolen] stripped me of my wealth and the police turn me away from filing evidence of a crime. They have locked me into a barren land prison and I have not committed a crime.
Mitch, tell me this is the puzzle you are sending me to assemble for the world to see.
God Bless you Mitch.
Mitch SMith 50+
It resides fair and square in the centre of competition.
Competition is required in the face of scarcity.
Where is this scarcity?
The dynamic that leads to the abuse you are experiencing is exactly the same dynamic that results in women being paid less, and children not at all.
It is called the "tangible benefit". It occurs in cost/benefit statements that drive the whole competitive paradigm.
The value of elders undergoes a transition from tangible to intangible - they are not reliable as tangible value units because they become frail and cannot turn up to their jarb on a tangibly reliable basis according to the defined hours of work. Similarly, women get pregnant at inconvenient times and children have not got the skills or strength required for the bottom line.
in short, these social subsets have no tangible value and are treated accordingly.
These things are obvious to all entities involved in competition - corporations, governments and legislative bodies.
You are expelled to the world of the intangible.
A place where the value is litterally incalculable.
That sounds like a nice place to be.
I am please to see you are embracing it.
Don Wesley 50+
I am now certain that I don't understand where your logic system is coming from!
Where did you learn this thinking? What institution? What text books are available?
What societies are there that I can visit.
Except for pandemic courses, I didn’t study the social sciences, nor the neural sciences.
I have read what is freely available!
The attitude that comes through to me, is that you know something that I don’t know
and that I will never know; because you are a superior being.
You, have led my intuition to make me curious about a new code of “something.”
You have told me to blow into your gift [the flute] and forget the learning!
One of my friends near to me is a genius and schizophrenic and I still understand him.
You Mitch seem to be a beautiful mystery. I understand Jesus, but not you.
When I consider value, I factor out market value and look only at what makes for lasting values for humanity; a little like Warren Buffet. I also abhor systems of powerful organizations which allow evil, to de-humanize and abuse people.
I could be very happy to study something of new and invaluable value; like a better idea than democracy. I will be 80 in a few months and still have time to learn and serve.
Is it fair for me to think that you may me somewhat selfish by not revealing.
Mitch, my special pal on TED; please reveal.
Don Wesley
Mitch SMith 50+
A tune starts in the heart of a player. others may copy, but it is their own breath that gives it life.
Tradition is a process of giving life to something worth living.
No one is precluded from this - the tune can start with you - you only need play it.
After a while, you will know where to find the notes that others play - then you can copy them if it's worth doing.
Here is a chart of where the usual notes are:
http://www.moceltic.org/docs/whistle_chart.html
But I have to say - there is no limit, and the finger combinations are not set in stone - I use few of these combinations when I play these days.
The early tunes you find for yourself will be the most haunting and heart-felt.
These simple flutes are present in every culture and are often made and played by shepherds who have no access to tuition - just time watching the sheep. Many of their tunes have entered the traditions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxm_76uR-gA
What we see as greatness in others is present in us all. The measure of greatness is to find, inside, a light to help others find the same light within them - then all are great. Oddly, the more of this light you find in yourself, the better you are at seeing it in others.
Don Wesley 50+
I also remain on topic; State education!
Like a Lonely Child Sheppard, that I grew up as, the flute will now become my new pleasure.
Hopefully my playing will attract new attention on YouTube.
My first Story on YouTube was too long and was not made available.
My story was about “Torture.”
Torture that is hidden behind walls of Court Justice in a
Democracy; Canada. YouTube did send me an email; see below.
http://innjustice.blogspot.ca/2011/11/roulette-wheel-that-has-been-fixed-so.html
This week, on Canada’s CBC, the following and shocking story of Torture has finally been Uncovered.
Videos show 'dehumanizing' treatment of teen Ashley Smith
Corrections Canada had tried to stop videos from being made public.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/10/31/ashley-smith-inquest-scope.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/11/01/ashley-smith-videos-reaction.html
Don
Mitch SMith 50+
The original purpose of the instituion becomes lost as the people within it serve their own agendas by exploiting flaws in the constitution/mission statement.
Organisations fail by design. They eventually collapse - this can be observed in corporations.
Corporations are generally allowed to die - however, government created institutions are not.
Government makes the mistake that a functional institution will remain relevant to the community forever. This is not the case. If a sub-community(insitution) is formed without a specific single goal, it will atrophy into a tribe-unit with abuse as the resulting dynamic.
Ashly Smith clearly manifests the symptoms of bipolar disorder. There are very effective drug treatments for this - if prescribed by an adequately skilled psychiatrist. Unfortunately, such skill is rare. The neuroscience fields are advancing rapidly - one would hope that such skills will become more common.
The answer to harm is healing.
The world's attention must be drawn to this truth if we are to survive the next few decades.
Don Wesley 50+
Perhaps for the first time, I see we have a meeting of the mind; and by mind I mean something that was not found in the brain, as said by Dr. Wilder Penfield, author of “Man and His Family.”
Dr. Penfield, a Brain Surgeon, accepted the role as President of “Institute of Family.” This Institute was established by His Excellency The Governor General of Canada, George P. Vanier.
In a ‘Conference on the Family’ of June 7, 1964, “where prominent sociologists, social workers, scholars and religious leaders from several denominations came together” with great concern, George P. Vanier was moved to say:
“Canada has a prodigious heritage. We can and must move forward toward our true destiny as a country ‘opposed to pure materialism.’
Let us find once more the flame that lit the way for the first missionaries and pioneers.
The amazing development of economics and material civilization has brought a crisis upon the family. It is time for men with serious responsibilities in society to take stock together of the problems facing us . . . The problem is in our hands. It is up to us to direct the course of civilization.”
“Love is the strength within the family. This strength could save the world, as well as nation.
There is authority in human nature. As the family evolves, wisdom comes in the normal course of things and security, and happiness, too perchance, that is unique.”
“Control of civilization is the ultimate purpose. Man, above all is teachable. Much of the teaching should begin at an early age when brain and character alike are easily conditioned. We must propagandise wisely for the good of human society and for the health of family life. Otherwise we shall drift aimlessly with the ebb and flow of the ‘sea of society.’ It is the ship of human destiny, no less, that must be manned and for which a wise course must be charted.” – George P. Vanier, Man and His Family.
Don [From The Silent Generation - 1930]
Mitch SMith 50+
i am more interested in root physical causes than the extrapolation of those causes into philosophy.
Philosphy is a powerful tool for awareness, byt it must find dround in reality.
I do not condone the bending of twigs in any way shape or form (propaganda).
Dr Penfield exhibits the right motives, but shows an ignorance of the root causality.
Instead of the word "propaganda" - his hypothesis would be better served by the word "nurture".
We must be careful to recognise violation in the language we use. Upon detection it falsifies everything we say - ubnless we are talking about violence.
If violence is appropriate, then I propose that it should be turned against the enemy - not his victims.
Don Wesley 50+
Dr. Penfield’s remarks in my previous reply were written in 1967. He not here to defend them.
The whole of his book is the best place to challenge it. It is very short but compiled with great scholarly care and wisdom.
As to the cause of torture to Ashly Smith, I think we need only look at Philip Zimbardo: The psychology of evil,
http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html
I am now experiencing a similar torture, stemming from my wife’s mental disorder of self-harm. She used the Court System to evict me from my own home[A Provincial Matter]. The Court is also using delays, now, to cover the internal corruption. Just like Corrections Canada is covering up the Ashly Smith story.[A Federal affair]
I think the cause of Ashly Smith’s mental-problem-story, is a separate issue and not on topic; it is so evil and disgusting; it requires a book of probing scholars. Canada is beginning to feel ashamed of itself, while it’s “lawyers distract” us from Lucifer's evil work.
We have in Canada, a democratic system, which was changed by a devious Prime Minister, P. Trudeau and his ministers in the 1960’s from “Man and His Family” to a “Sea of society.”
Governor General Vanier saw the change vividly. From stable family life in the 50’s to crisis in the 60’s.
Mitch, please look to history for “logical explanations” and compare them to what we have from the “logical society” of today and the answer is a “no-brainer;” to use a similar expression you have used.
Mitch, I say, you seem to be, just on the border of introducing confusion!
That being said I still have an abundance of love for you. Brar, a man with a great brain helped me survive through 2009 and 2010. He is Bi-Polar and used his remarkable courage and strength to keep me alive.
Ashly Smith, Bless her, would have done the same for me. Society needs education to understand those troubled, like her and maybe all of us. How about Emotional Intelligence?
Mitch SMith 50+
It is pleasing to interact with someone not afraid to "keep me on my toes"!
Many thanks!
Logical intelligence is forever relative - and never absolute. But it is the medium by which we progress.
The family. To replace the fundamental power and value of the family os tp sit on a branch and cut it off behind you.
Any definition of a "sea of society" must build on the power of family - otherwise will fail. If this sea of society does not resemble the family it will fail.
But I must point out, that humans are far more than family - at the least we are tribal. Wolf packs are family. Lion prides are family ... most pure family groups seem to be carnivourous predators. Many mamals are community creatures .. why should we be less than cattle?
And what then of the adoptee?
Please do not confuse philosophy with logic. The words and musings of philospohy trail along like a cowered dog for scraps from teh scientist's table, and yet, the scientist takes scaps from the philospher - to chew the truth from them - a meagre meal, but at least, somewhere to start.
It must be demonstrated - repeatable and open to falsification. Or it is rubbish.
These philosophers that take up ideas that just seem good to them. By all means - try them out, but be willing to admit failure.
You know I hav extensive experience with bipolar people. THey have enormous potential - but it requires willing and loving support as well as highly skilled treatment to gain a net positive fom their swinging nightmare. It is not a task lightly taken - and one that should be abandonned quickly if the loving support is not enough.
Is it now your life's work to take a chunk out of the legal abuse dragon?
An honourable work!
Best regards
Mitch
Don Wesley 50+
I am happy we make the distinction and see the one to factor out.
The work done within The Vanier Institute of the Family is Science.
The Institute is in Ottawa, the capital of Canada.
And the truth mathematically proven, makes one choice more probable than the other.
Without Man and Woman there can be no society.
And Man is different than Woman; and it takes both to create a family.
And child including the adopted, needs both Man and Woman; to be identified in society.
At this time in history we are able to educate a reliable family; remembering that prevention is ...
Family is not an assumption; it is fact of the code of common morality established first in the family.
“This code formed the basis of laws of Sumer and the Babylonian code of Hammurabi that followed it.
It is still being re-established in family.”
All this has been debated by more capable thinkers than we; I can imagine.
To be wise we should be Skeptical and humbly accept our errors; on this we do agree.
Goodness be with you and until soon,
Don.
Mitch SMith 50+
YOu might like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf-lDPXVW9I&list=PL028DC9EAF2233E4B&index=14
I recognise that there are some more experienced thinkers than us, but I don't accept that they are better.
And I have almost nil respect for experience - I have known people who have 40 years of experience * of the same day over and over agian! * people who think I'm crazy for seeking a new day every day.
Better than us?
Not likely.
Is there room for improvement?
Definitlely - till our last breath - it should be as sweet as the first.
Can we learn from the 1-day-for-40-years guy?
Yes - he knows more about that day than anyone - but don't take his advice on any other day.
Who is most expert at living your life?
You are.
Don Wesley 50+
I am pleased to hear from you, once again. I did mention EQ, to you in our recent conversation. I am pleased to see you have followed it up.
Over the past few weeks, I read and studied a Handbook, titled ‘Biblical EQ’ written by John Edmiston. He is an Australian missionary who is the Chairman & CEO of Cybermissions – a small missionary society that uses computers and the Internet to facilitate the Great Commission. Biblical EQ, is about being able to handle and discern emotions and express them wisely. I do think it would be an excellent help towards learning the Way to Happiness.
I certainly will follow your reference to YouTube. Over the past few months, I followed several online debates between Creationist’s and the Opponents. The debates are very robust, with [too] many, being impolite. I listen with great care, to learn from the debaters. You might enjoy the following one, also on YouTube: Sir Growalott, William Lane Craig vs Andrew Pyle: "Does the Christian God Exist?" Bristol, UK; 2007: http://youtu.be/wsO0ysGyjMg.
My study of Psychology [from 30 on] surpasses my study of mathematics and physics and being just on the doorstep of 80, I am still a Creationist. Scientists and Philosophers are found on both sides of the debate. The arguments on your side, [so far] are just not convincing enough to have me change my rational view. It is my personal experience, that made the choice, so we can agree on this one issue. I always enjoy your short essays; they are not arguments however.
Until soon, Mitch, my young and very kind Australian friend. I am learning to be a whistle blower, as an old Sheppard.
Thanks for your whistle-gift to me. I find so many younger engineers yearning for happiness and loosing too much time wandering.
Aware of and caring about us All.
Don [From The Silent Generation - 1930's]
Mitch SMith 50+
This is a 2 hour debate.
I have to remind you that I spent 8 years intensively investigating faiths of all types - in person.
I developed a technique of attracting proseltysers - including a method of walking - guaranteed, you walk like that and it will attract every proselytiser for a city block ;)
Following that 8 years, I have maintained an active attention to all things faith and spiritually based.
It is a measure of respect for you and in the name of open mindedness that I will subject myself to this 2 hours yet again.
OK - listened to it, .. all I can say is: "forgive the creationists lord, for they know not what they do."
Nice workout for the amygdala ;)
Hey BTW - I have growing evidence that the Sun has the equivalent of neural network learning expressed in electro magnetic causality! This makes it a brain with many orders of magnitude greater than a human brain!
Would you like to join my Ra-Worship congregation?
Don Wesley 50+
There are certain “debaters/teachers” who do have a unique personality type which makes identifying them quite easy to learn. I would agree that they should avoided.
I see them on both sides of the debate.
In the debate which I directed you to, I would say the creationist has the personality type you are referring to.
In another debate with the two following teachers, I would say Christopher fits the type you are referring to.
Christopher Hitchens, is one who fits the identity I have in mind; and Dinesh D'Souza does not.
I see compassion in Dinesh and not in Christopher.
I see Ego in Christopher and love of truth and reason in Dinesh.
Dinesh, I believe worked for President Reagan.
I can also see a few creationists who display Ego and spoil the message.
Without revealing more, I can declare that the personality delivering the message can be the spoiler of the message.
The teacher with low EQ should not be teaching children.
The children still need need unspoiled teaching. Jesus of Nazareth was I believe an excellent teacher.
I do believe you see a type that can been seen a block away, and I hope you will reveal to us that type of personality is.
I realize the above is a little tricky to solve. but less mysterious than your reply.
I am also very interested in learning more about the remaining paragraphs in your wondrous reply; maybe better done on our private emails. I also have some knowledge about the powerful role of the “amygdala”
Until soon
Don
Mitch SMith 50+
Also, I note that Craig attempted to hyjack the questioners's amygdala as a secret attack on her. This is not the actions of someone who is confident of their arguement. I can only conclude that Craig is a pathological lier like most Creationists.
Jesus was a brilliant teacher. By all reports he only ever did-his-block one time with the money changers. In all other things he taught by doing and by answering questions.
It was clever to wrap up the message in teh resurection bottle - wasn't the first religion to do that. One can admire the intelligence in the deceit .. but you gotta open the bottle to read the mesage.
Don Wesley 50+
There is only one, in my last reply, that I believe is honest and reliable as a creationist “debater” and that is Dinesh D'Souza. Someone who can help with the problem of education from birth and onward. Stories do educate; like the Miracle of Magnets.
The second statement I make, is that the story “teller” must be a person of high EQ for it to be seen as true.
That story with the magnet of most goodness is the one I have chosen, and it has the instructions to my choice of compass.
One of the best debaters today, who I have elected to defend the story which is best for me is Dinesh D'Souza.
What is the best story for others to believe, is up to them! Let them reveal their story, and elect their debater. All stories reveal some wisdom. I await with an attitude of openness to hear your story Mitch; which I suspect will also have a huge magnet of goodness. Maybe your choice will be a Gold Medal Winner of the time. Have no fear of the
amygdala; and don’t let it be your magnet.
Until soon,
Go with love and be
Aware of and caring about us All.
Don [From The Silent Generation - 1930's]
Mitch SMith 50+
Thank you for posessing (as always) a great capacity for grace!
Here is an idea:
Somewhere within my world view there exists a touchstone. It is the jewel of great value.
I am not always able to touch it, but when i do, it tells me, without words, whether a thing in my perception is a truth or not. It does not tell me why.
I perceive that you also posess this jewel.
Our work is to share this jewel.
This is the only work, and we each given a path that is defined by it.
My touchstone tells me that Creationism is untrue. It does not tell me why, but I perceive that it is not the principle that is in error - it is the translation into false motives that betrays the Creationist.
Through these discussions and the test of my touchstone, I have now perfected a definition of morality that has been missing for quite a while. It describes how creationism is the result of some Christians abandoning god for money. I can only presume that they do not have the touchstone, or have not found their way to it.
Don Wesley 50+
I truly resonate with the goodness of your reply; it rings true and clear to me.
A great example of the power of love.
Until very soon,
Don Wesley [From The Silent Generation - 1930's]