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Tao P
  • Tao P
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If the state is so bad at raising children, how come we allow the state to educate our children?

It's obvious that our educational system is broken, but who is willing to take action to create a new system? Much of learning can be broken down into how much attention does a child get. In a classroom that's almost nil, as a teachers time is spread between 30 students. Studies also clearly show that grading children has a detrimental effect on them. So why do we continue this waste of resources that is also a waste of our children's potential.

What is an alternative to the current method of education. Is there a way to light the fire of children's curiosity rather than smothering it with facts.


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    Nov 2 2012: I think that ultimately, when the poor are fully under control of the ruling groups or corporations non of this will be a problem anymore. Education will be for the ruling populace and the rest will be served enough to keep them under control.

    Of course this could go the other way and the ruled could use the internet to get educated and upset the plans of the ruling parties. It appears it is spreading in this direction. I'm taking courses at an online college and learning much.

    We waste resources because they are unregulated. It's really that simple. When resources become rare, we regulated them and decide who gets what and how much, with the rulers getting the highest share. It has away been that way.

    We must bear in mind that money takes second place to power and control. With an educated population all the rulers have to do to put them under control is to shrink the money supply, which is what we are going through now. It is a fact that it is easier to control an educated population, provided you keep the educational process in two lots. The highest quality for the rulers children and the lowest for the rest. This is how the University system works and it appears that online education is following suit.

    As technology takes control of our living environment, we can expect to see the population cut up into segments of haves and have not's, educated vs non-educated. The people will follow the jobs and that is the carrot that will be used to separate everyone into controllable groups. It is happening today.

    Bear in mind, just because you are highly educated does not mean you are not a slave to some rulere(s). They just keep you in a more gilded cage. Not all Geniuses are born into the families of the ruling class.
    Today, the smart children are sorted out, cataloged and followed throughout their lives. Opportunity is used to draw them out from their families and put them to work.
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      Nov 2 2012: THat's a bit pessimistic. It's also a loose argument: 'it's a fact that controlling an educated public is easier'. According to whom? I'd wager it is far easier to control an ignorant people than an educated one. Anyways, my post is about thinking about better styles of education, not spreading worry with tangents of anxiety.
      • Nov 2 2012: Tao, this entirely depends on what the populace has been educated about. One can educate a group and very easily use this education as a tool of enslavement. If you look at the trilateral commission formed under Ford they basically said there are two types of intellectuals one that praise the system and ones that are, lets say, more value oriented. They went on to say that the value oriented intellectuals must be shunned so as to inhibit "the crisis of democracy" while the former must be held up because of the extremely important role they play in the indoctrination of the young and maintenance of societal function.

        I concur with Johns statement it is far easier to control an educated populace when the education is mean to serve the master. Sometimes education can fool you into believing things you already know to be false....

        In the communist manifesto Marx claimed that state education was needed so as to protect the children from being molded into sycophants to the ruling class. I think this is true and what we now see with all the hype about the teachers unions is really just a ploy to get in there and teach the children "what they should be learning". This is not to say that government in and of itself cant become a ruling class it can and has. The point I am attempting to make is that "spreading worry" based in truism should be an obligation to anyone who cares about his fellow man.

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          Nov 3 2012: OK well I agree if by education you mean a system of indoctrination. The point of my starting this thread was for us to collaboratively think of better ways to educate people.

          I politely disagree that we should spread worrying truisms without, at the very least, the intention of finding solutions. I feel we should go beyond that any time we utter negative ideas and facts; we need to provide answers or the space for us to collaborate to come up with answers
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        Nov 3 2012: Pessimistic?

        It's the way the world has operated for thousands of years. I don't see any change taking place now. If it were not so we should see evidence of it. Right?

        If I am incorrect, we would see a strong, growing middle class and shrinking on the other two ends.

        Do we see this?
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          Nov 3 2012: 'It's the way the world has operated for thousands of years. I don't see any change taking place now. If it were not so we should see evidence of it. Right?'

          I believe that also to be a pessimistic, though you surely see it as realistic. Pessimism to me is stating the problems and being unable or unwilling to work towards answers. So my saying you're being pessimistic is not saying you are wrong, but I don't think you are helping us move forward. If we hope to improve the World we need to work with eachother instead of criticizing without any constructive thought.

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